Contrails or chemtrails?

Some residents of the Bishop area have lately complained about jet airplane contrails in the sky and the belief that chemical products or some type of haze may hang in the Eastern Sierra skies as a result. The Air Pollution Control District looked into it.

Andrea Pucci of Bishop contacted APCD Director Ted Schade to say that she has seen and believes planes at high elevation are flying back and forth in all directions for a matter of hours, leaving rectangular patterns formed by “aerosol spraying.” Pucci suggested that the planes were engaged in spraying of chemicals. She pressed Schade for answers.

Director Schade did investigate. He said that he and his staff spoke to LADWP, Fish and Game and the Forest Service about spraying over the Sierra. He said none of those agencies was engaged in any spraying activity. Schade said he also checked the APCD particulate matter monitoring stations and “found nothing to indicate that any peaks of particulate matter had been measured at ground level during the periods…of concern.”

Schade said he believes the patterns observed were normal jet condensation trails or contrails that occur in low-wind conditions. Ms. Pucci pointed to information about chemtrails. Schade said the theories have not been peer-reviewed in reputable scientific journals. Ms. Pucci said that the haze in the sky has interfered with her passive solar home. She pointed to the repeated passage of planes.

Beyond theories, Schade did say that Great Basin Air Pollution Control District only has authority over stationary sources and no authority over jet plane activity and high altitude pollution sources. He suggested the California Air Resources Board would have that jurisdiction.

 

 

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38 Responses to Contrails or chemtrails?

  1. . November 2, 2012 at 10:36 am #

    Is this a serious news story?

     
    • Benett Kessler November 2, 2012 at 10:40 am #

      We report on what our people here are saying, doing, thinking – particularly if it involves a local agency.
      Benett Kessler

       
    • Bemused November 5, 2012 at 5:02 pm #

      Only if you are wearing a tinfoil hat…

       
  2. . November 2, 2012 at 11:26 am #

    I understand your position as a news agency wanting to report what people are saying. However, not everything people say is worth reporting. Sometimes things people say are irrelevant. Any person with even a basic understanding of the interaction between the atmosphere and pollutants would immediately see this as erroneous.

    What this lady is concerned about is hilarious. I understand how there might appear to be a potential threat to her, but she clearly has no idea what she’s talking about.

    As if Mr. Schade doesn’t already have enough on his plate, the last thing he should have to be doing is answering ridiculous questions. I wish I could have seen his face as he listened to this lady. Who knows, maybe this lady’s hilarious concern brightened his day; I know I got a good laugh out of it.

     
  3. Clyde A. November 2, 2012 at 12:15 pm #

    This is an old urban legend. This goes back to the cold war and manipulating the weather.

     
  4. Concerned November 2, 2012 at 2:37 pm #

    I would be more concerned by the contrail pollution!?!
    What is the basic interaction of those very real ever present pollutants?
    How much of those particulates make it to ground level?
    We are living at high elevations here, after all.

     
    • . November 3, 2012 at 1:43 am #

      First of all, contrails do not contain particulate matter. Furthermore, the contrails themselves don’t contain any pollutants. The actual trail of fog you see is nothing more than water vapor, which is a by-product of jet fuel combustion. That is not to say exhaust from planes doesn’t pollute as it most definitely does, but the contrail you see is harmless.

      You’d be a lot better served if you would educate yourself, even on the most basic level.

       
      • Big AL November 3, 2012 at 2:19 pm #

        Vapor is thr direct result of hot exhaust coming in contact with cold air .. which causes the vapor .. at the basic level .. it is like when you breath out on a cold day .. isn’t it?

         
  5. R.R. November 2, 2012 at 2:57 pm #

    I don’t think this is a foolish story. Last week Andrea Pucci saw something she noticed was different than usual and the beginning of this week the northeast got a perfect storm. Two other storms steered the hurricane into the largest populated area of the U.S. Was one of the other storms created. You see on the weather channel how well they can predict where a storm will go. The U.S. just landed a vehicle on Mars. Your cell phone is a computer, camera,
    video camera, gps, game player that is pocket size and portable. Trying to alter weather doesn’t seem like science fiction anymore.

     
  6. Eastern Sierra Local November 2, 2012 at 3:34 pm #

    Wow, the “contrails” conspiracy theory again. I’ve heard this one as a means of distributing anitgens against chemical warfare into the atmosphere. OMG! More proof that people in the Eastern Sierra have too much time on their hands.

     
  7. erik simpson November 2, 2012 at 5:15 pm #

    I can read more and better stuff than this at the checkout line at Von’s. I vote for more journalistic discretion.

     
  8. concerned November 2, 2012 at 5:27 pm #

    look up chem trails on youtube…

     
  9. R.R. November 2, 2012 at 6:33 pm #

    It sounds nutty so we are loony. The United Nation has banned the use of weather modification in warfare. Thats easy to check, are they a conspiracy group? If it doesn’t exist why the ban?

     
    • Big AL November 3, 2012 at 2:17 pm #

      Very true R.R … who’s watching them?

       
  10. Steve November 2, 2012 at 6:39 pm #

    There’s nothing wrong with a little tin foil hat discussions from time to time. Everything else on here is a little too serious.

     
  11. Ken Warner November 2, 2012 at 8:04 pm #

    It’s not “chemtrails” it’s contrails — for condensation trails. That’s just the moisture in the engine exhaust that condenses in the cold air at that altitude.

    I’d be more worried about your smart meter reporting on which TV shows you are watching….

     
    • Big AL November 3, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

      LOL true Ken .. but they inject the aluminum oxide into the jet exhaust trail, so the condensation holds it there until it contacts with the molecules in the atmosphere, to change the weather .. so I have been told. I’m not worried about it though ..

      I wouldn’t worry so much about the smart meters either.

      I think Sean has a better perspective on it lol. And the whole noise about the smart meters, in which I included, was all up in arms about, with them being a health hazard, that is just a crock .. but … they do keep track of the usage of power, in more personal ways that most might feel comfortable with. I think it is more along the lines of knowing when to rape you .. when you have higher peak hours of usage, or the grid is in a high demand period.

      I’m not sure, that they can get it down to what program you watch or what you do on the internet, what subversive sites you visit .. etc … but like I say, if they want to know .. let em! I won’t hide the fact that I don’t trust them as far as I can throw em!

       
  12. Big AL November 2, 2012 at 8:50 pm #

    Well … there has been for some years, a lot of talk in certain circles about chem trials and govt. connections to them.

    Some feel very strongly about conspiracy theories, from the govt. spreading germs, and chemicals. The latest one I heard of it is two white jets that fly coordinate patters in grids crossing the sky. They are spreading .. I think it was aluminum oxide into the upper atmosphere to alter weather patterns.

    Today, driving to Bridgeport, I observed a single white jet flying in a easterly direction, it was putting out a good contrail., and there was a grid pattern of contrails, appearing to be at a higher altitude from the random jet contrails appearing at lower altitudes.

    Makes you wonder though .. is there some sort of govt. project aimed at changing weather patterns?

    I don’t know .. it is interesting though.

     
    • Baby Jesus November 6, 2012 at 12:48 pm #

      Now Now… dont start thinking about what “may” be. Just keep listening to these know-it-all’s on this website who think we’re all crazy and have too much time on our hands.

      Must be nice to be so confident. Gotta love these characters.

      HAHAHA!

       
  13. Sean F November 2, 2012 at 9:19 pm #

    It is all very simple – The FEMA camps are ramping up for the elections and the “New World Order” takeover of the planet. To make things easier when it comes time to round up all you trouble makers out there the “government” is really spraying you with liquid marijuana to make you more docile. Additionally the lizard people aliens that live in the sealed Pine Creek Tungsten mine are conducting military exercises in their preparation to invade the strategically critical city of Bishop. They are paying for the overflights of Bishop and Owens Valley (Since they run the air force). There is only one way to stop the invasion. I repeat only ONE WAY to save your city. For the next month the citizens of Bishop MUST wear tin foil helmets and 1950’s style 3-D glasses around town. This way you will be able to see the lizard people walking around town dressed as humans. Once they realize their plan has been foiled (?) they will retreat back into the mine and move on to the next town (Bridgeport I hear). How do I know all this you ask? I read it on the internet so I know it is true!

     
    • Ken Warner November 3, 2012 at 8:20 am #

      Finally — some one who makes sense!!! And don’t forget about the mind controling smart meters that keep most people preoccupied with recreational shopping and daytime TV….

       
      • Sean f November 3, 2012 at 5:23 pm #

        Yes and the Digital 395 that is another form of mind control by allowing us to watch On-Demand movies all day. Reminds me of the Hulu TV commercials where aliens were feeding us lots of TV to make our brains soft and yummy to eat. I have to go to the store now to load up on tin foil before the reverse 911 call goes out on this matter.

         
    • Big AL November 3, 2012 at 1:58 pm #

      LOL Sean .. yeah

       
  14. Numbers November 3, 2012 at 5:18 am #

    I actually noticed the other day that the contrail grid seemed rather thick above mammoth. Thick enough in fact to easily reduce the output of a solar array by a percent or two. That is kind of interesting, with more and more solar going up (like the water districts massive array) a one percent loss due to jet contrails on an otherwise perfect solar collection day might be a news story. Perhaps in the future, very large production solar arrays, the type you see down south, will be included in flight path maps and there will be regulations (and fines) about creating contrail interference?

     
    • Big AL November 3, 2012 at 1:59 pm #

      Hmmm interesting obsrvations Numbers.

       
  15. skandar November 3, 2012 at 9:46 am #

    Here’s the chemtrails come from. geo engineering industry which in fact an industry
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoengineering

    The other video is what explain the history of spraying.
    http://youtu.be/G9cQfcKR0EM

     
  16. ferdinand lopez November 3, 2012 at 5:14 pm #

    the chemtrails are made of special non-toxic ingredients that make you vote for obama

     
    • concerned November 3, 2012 at 9:13 pm #

      thats too funny

       
    • Trouble November 4, 2012 at 5:36 am #

      Don’t worry, all the pollution drifts down to our drinking water.

       
    • john Delgado November 4, 2012 at 2:03 pm #

      Aluminum and Barium…. 🙂

       
  17. salblaster November 3, 2012 at 8:28 pm #

    ya i saw it to a couple of days ago to, the story i heard was it’s to combat global warming by reflecting light back into space. ya right. another whopper i heard was the russians were using giant microwave transmitting antenas and bouncing a signal between earth and the upper atmosphere and targeting storms to push them around to a specific location.

     
    • Ken Warner November 4, 2012 at 11:54 am #

      http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/

      HAARP is a scientific endeavor aimed at studying the properties and behavior of the ionosphere, with particular emphasis on being able to understand and use it to enhance communications and surveillance systems for both civilian and defense purposes.

      The HAARP program is committed to developing a world class ionospheric research facility consisting of:

      * The Ionospheric Research Instrument (IRI), a high power transmitter facility operating in the High Frequency (HF) range. The IRI will be used to temporarily excite a limited area of the ionosphere for scientific study.
      * A sophisticated suite of scientific (or diagnostic) instruments that will be used to observe the physical processes that occur in the excited region.

      Observation of the processes resulting from the use of the IRI in a controlled manner will allow scientists to better understand processes that occur continuously under the natural stimulation of the sun.

      Scientific instruments installed at the HAARP Observatory will be useful for a variety of continuing research efforts which do not involve the use of the IRI but are strictly passive. Among these studies include ionospheric characterization using satellite beacons, telescopic observation of the fine structure in the aurora, and documentation of long-term variations in the ozone layer.

       
  18. R.R. November 4, 2012 at 9:22 am #

    More info for skeptics-more than 40 years ago they knew how to do it.
    Keep watching your reality T.V. while the real world events pass by.

    Operation Popeye (Project Popeye/Motorpool/Intermediary-Compatriot) was a US military cloud seeding operation (running from March 20, 1967 until July 5, 1972) during the Vietnam war to extend the monsoon season over Laos, specifically areas of the Ho Chi Minh Trail. The operation seeded clouds with silver iodide, resulting in the targeted areas seeing an extension of the monsoon period an average of 30 to 45 days. As the continuous rainfall slowed down the truck traffic, it was considered relatively successful.[1] The 54th Weather Reconnaissance Squadron carried out the operation to “make mud, not war.”

     
  19. Tourbillon November 5, 2012 at 4:25 pm #

    Judging by the quality of comments on this thread, I arrive the obvious conclusion: mind-altering chemicals are indeed being emitted by these planes onto the people of the Eastern Sierra.

     
  20. local 1 November 5, 2012 at 6:58 pm #

    Maybe you should give us an update on bigfoot

     
    • Big AL November 6, 2012 at 12:15 am #

      NOOO .. I think they are trying to spray big foot , causing him to be lethargic and thus be caught.

       
  21. Chippa November 5, 2012 at 7:37 pm #

    wow

     

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