Fish and Wildlife checkpoint

dfg.jpgAngry citizens called Sierra Wave Monday morning to report that more than a dozen Fish and Wildlife employees and just as many trucks were holding a checkpoint stop south of Bishop.  The workers were checking for violations of Fish and Game code.  The checkpoint was expected to last until 2pm Monday.

While some callers objected to what they called this “stop and frisk” policy, others were more understanding.  Jim Wilkins of Wrightwood, a Forest Service Public Information Officer at times for our area, arrived in the Eastern Sierra for a fishing trip.  He said he knows there are some who do not respect the wildlife and the rules surrounding it.  Others pointed to the cost of the operation and  what they said was a violation of privacy.

Fish and Wildlife did issue a press release at the end of last week.  It says this:

“The CaliforniaDepartment of Fish and Wildlife will be conducting a wildlife checkpoint operation to promote safety, education and compliance with law and regulations. CDFW law enforcement division will be conducting the inspection on southbound Highway 395, south of Bishop on Monday, September 23rd from 8am to 2pm.

“The wildlife checkpoint is being conducted to protect and conserve fish and wildlife, to encourage safety and sportsmanship by promoting voluntary compliance with laws, rules and regulations through education.

“All anglers and hunters will be required to stop and submit to an inspection. CDFW officers will also be providing informative literature about the invasive quagga mussel and New Zealand mud snail.”

 

64 Responses to Fish and Wildlife checkpoint

  1. Mark1971 September 23, 2013 at 10:33 am #

    I would like to know exactly how they are conducting this. What questions are they asking the drivers? Do they have any authority at all to search ice chests for possession limits without the permission of the driver? What would give them probable cause to conduct a search of a vehicle? Are they relying on people to voluntarily admit they are in violation of the possession limit?

     
    • Mark September 23, 2013 at 2:36 pm #

      From what I recall DFW is the only law enforcment agency that doesn’t need a warrant to search.

      I won’t fish in California anymore as I don’t want to contribute to the boondoggle of

      paying to them to raise trout
      paying them to stock trout
      paying them for a lic. to fish for trout
      paying them to police me while I fish for trout
      paying them to have check points to make sure I’m not over my limit
      paying them to have stake out to catch people over the limit

      all this for an invasive species.. give me a break!

       
      • Pedro September 23, 2013 at 5:43 pm #

        Tried to warn you! We don’t take kindly to trout rustlers in these parts!

        Hope my wife’s not mad about that Cabela’s cap I gave her this morning, she’s late getting home.

         
      • Pedro September 23, 2013 at 6:35 pm #

        IRS has most lenient search and seizure rules.

         
  2. Tourbillon September 23, 2013 at 11:31 am #

    No big deal, unless you’ve got something to hide from Fish & Wildlife. Just a minor inconvenience for our own collective good.

    A mile south of this checkpoint, CHP is setting one up to test for drunk drivers and ensure vehicle code compliance. No big deal, unless you’ve got something to hide from CHP. Just a minor inconvenience for our own collective good.

    A mile south of that, the Forest Service is setting up a checkpoint to ensure compliance with forestry rules about combustible material. No big deal, unless you’ve got something to hide from the Forest Service. Just a minor inconvenience for our own collective good.

    A mile south of that, the Department of Health is setting up a checkpoint to check your medical insurance cards to ensure compliance with the individual mandate of ObamaCare. No big deal, unless you’ve got something to hide from HHS. Just a minor inconvenience for our own collective good.

    A mile south of that….

     
    • Mongo The Idiot September 23, 2013 at 1:44 pm #

      Whatever they do it wont be an INS checkpoint looking for illegals.

       
      • Pedro September 23, 2013 at 6:32 pm #

        IRS checkpoint looking for same sex marriages that filed single.

         
  3. Mark September 23, 2013 at 11:37 am #

    How did they determine who were anglers and hunters?

     
    • sugar magnolia September 23, 2013 at 2:30 pm #

      you know, camoflage clothing or hats, flannel, chew in the mouth, country music on the radio, balls hanging from the back of the pick-up truck, a Reagan’s Sporting Good sticker on the back window, a ducks unlimited or NRA sticker, calvin peeing on anything, etc etc …..you got a problem with that?

       
      • Richard September 23, 2013 at 4:42 pm #

        I not only had a fishing pole but also a metal detector driving 4×4. Perfect target…..

         
    • Steve September 23, 2013 at 2:33 pm #

      Or just sight seeing, heading to work or home.

       
  4. Wayne Deja September 23, 2013 at 11:42 am #

    Think it’s a good idea !!!…what,with deer season(rifle) either here or coming very soon…and the violations involving trout season,like we ALL know happens a LOT from the Sou Cal’ers….maybe if they had something like this going on a little farther south here in Lone Pine,the guys that poached the elk behind the church on Locust St. last month would have thought twice about doing what they did…..before they got turned in for doing it….if your not going over the trout limit…or shooting a deer….or an elk without proper tags and licenses’,and not breaking the law,you got nothing to fear from these “stop and frisk”(give me a break !) checkpoints….

     
    • Steve September 23, 2013 at 2:31 pm #

      Just because there are people who break the rules doesn’t mean law enforcement can bypass the Bill of Rights. There are people who violate laws and I believe there are hunters and law abiding citizens who will turn them in or through hard work law enforcement will catch and punish those who are guilty.

      Whats else do you think is OK, a mass arrest for a criminal on the loose?

       
  5. bobbyjoe September 23, 2013 at 11:44 am #

    Reminiscent of the Burning Man check point…looks like another Police State! What’s going on in the Eastern Sierras???

     
    • Wayne Deja September 23, 2013 at 1:01 pm #

      bobbyjoe…..Maybe trying to help keep it from becoming another area like Lancaster,Palmdale,and the Antelope Valley has gotten to be…Have you been down there lately,with all the crime and the drugs being sold on the street corners that used to be safe places ?..When there is Law Enforcement presence,whether it be from officers on the beat,or a presence felt on the highways,it makes the criminals not only think twice about trying to do illegal activities in that area,but also makes them think twice about even going into or through the area…and that includes fish and game violations.

       
      • bobbyjoe September 23, 2013 at 3:13 pm #

        The Department of Fish and Game had no right to pull me and my daughter out of our vehicle. We were on our way to Ridgecrest to visit family and had no fish or game in the vehicle. It had nothing to do with making anything safer…I suggest you get the facts WAYNE before making anymore uneducated guesses!

         
        • Wayne Deja September 23, 2013 at 6:54 pm #

          bobbyjoe….So you and your daughter were “pulled out” of your vehicle by the DFG officers ?…..If that’s the case,I’d probably object to it too…in fact,what I would do if I felt I was being treated unfairly by DFG officers on the highway is refuse to answer any of their questions or demands…..if they were treating me unfairly….and request a CHP or Sheriffs officer to be present…I’d have to go through one of these “check-points” before drawing a conclusion if I was being treated fairly or not.

           
          • Info September 24, 2013 at 9:38 pm #

            Wayne, DF&W Warden’s are equals to CHP. They are both state law enforcement officers, they simply focus on enforcing different laws.

             
    • Desert Tortoise September 23, 2013 at 8:22 pm #

      A lot of drugs and poaching are what is going on. Don’t act so naïve.

       
      • Pedro September 23, 2013 at 10:51 pm #

        You need to document that claim.

         
    • Big Rick OBrien September 23, 2013 at 8:31 pm #

      Bobby J…maybe when the snow starts to fly, they’ll have a checkpoint for lift tickets for anyone that has ski racks on their vehicle. NOT a PARODY .

       
  6. Robert Johnson September 23, 2013 at 11:52 am #

    Welcome to the Fourth Reich Nazi ameriKKKa 🙂

     
    • Richard September 23, 2013 at 1:45 pm #

      THUGS! Have nothing to hide but very overwhelming driving into & observed from northbound lanes. I Did both. I never believed in a police state until today.
      Not to mention the payroll on the hwy today.

       
  7. Roy September 23, 2013 at 12:52 pm #

    My game warden friend told me some time ago, that if wardens see any fishing or hunting gear in your vehicle that gives them the legal right to search…Quit complaining about small things in life that might delay you for a minute or two…

     
    • Pedro September 23, 2013 at 7:51 pm #

      Roy, don’t tell anyone here, but I actually believe you were an upstanding LEO. Do you think the DFW statement that this checkpoint was worth a thousand patrols is accurate? Seems to me they should be patrolling the back roads at times other than bankers hours. If checkpoints are so effective, why do they patrol at all?
      PS. I will disavow ever asking you a non smartass question.

       
    • Big Rick OBrien September 23, 2013 at 8:27 pm #

      They never delay YOU at all, do they Roy ? As soon as they see that gold star in your wallet that ‘s right next to your DL, you’re down the road. No offense , I wish I had one, too.

       
      • Roy September 24, 2013 at 1:37 pm #

        There is no reason to have to show my badge and ID as I don’t do anything to cause myself to get stopped by the police or Wardens.. As I said once before I have only been stopped one time in my driving life of almost 50 years and that was when I was 18 for a equipment violation and I received a warning and fixed the problem within the hour…

         
        • Pedro September 24, 2013 at 8:39 pm #

          You don’t stop at checkpoints or show your ID?

           
          • Roy September 25, 2013 at 11:46 am #

            Never gone thru a checkpoint so no reason to show anything..

             
  8. Sean September 23, 2013 at 1:10 pm #

    I propose we have a recycling checkpoint next week followed by poor taste bumper sticker checkpoint the week after that.

     
  9. Mark1971 September 23, 2013 at 1:35 pm #

    Do they have trout-sniffing dogs?

     
  10. Charles O. Jones September 23, 2013 at 1:43 pm #

    Without enforcement, laws are essentially useless. It’s too bad that we can’t live in a world where everyone is responsible for their actions and respects the rule of law. Until that time comes, occasional enforcement measures will be necessary.

    If you find enforcement measures such as this frustrating, be sure to thank those who can’t resist living outside the rules.

     
    • Tourbillon September 23, 2013 at 3:39 pm #

      The notion that enforcing the laws requires mass hassling of everyone at checkpoints took a bit of a hiatus from around 1776, when the British Army was gently dissuaded from continuing the odious practice, until relatively recently in American history. Enforcement measures such as this were discontinued because the Founders of this country mistrusted the enforcers rather more than those “who can’t resist living outside the rules”. Fortunately we have sons of liberty such as yourself, and the modern Supreme Court, to set us straight.

       
      • Charles O. Jones September 23, 2013 at 4:57 pm #

        Sorry, but you weren’t appointed to speak for our Founders. Your opinion is just that.

         
        • Pedro September 23, 2013 at 6:26 pm #

          Sorry COJ, but we were ALL appointed to speak for our Founders. Your opinion is just that.

           
        • Tourbillon September 23, 2013 at 6:54 pm #

          Was not “speaking for the Founders” but relating history. Not an opinion, fact. And you don’t like it. Can’t blame you.

          At least you have your bare opinion, but only that, to comfort you.

           
          • Charles O. Jones September 23, 2013 at 10:51 pm #

            Your interpretations don’t qualify as facts.

            What does qualify as facts are court rulings, and these types of actions have been upheld in court.

            So I will stand with opinions from our legal system over those from some guy on the internet with a fictitious name.

             
          • Pedro September 24, 2013 at 8:56 pm #

            COJ, Fact is , court rulings are interpretation of the law considering facts.

             
    • Mark September 24, 2013 at 5:48 am #

      “Without enforcement, laws are essentially useless”

      and there is no better example then illegal immigration

       
    • Philip Anaya September 24, 2013 at 8:45 am #

      Your are right . It’s too bad that we can’t live in a world where everyone is responsible for their actions. With that said, how could we ever get to that place with the idea that “without enforcement , laws are essentially useless.” It’s not fair to pose a question for which there is possibly no answer but then there is an issue of outrage born with our liberty ,the land of the free, lucky to live in America when people are subjected to traffic stops. This is a lot different from an Law Enforcement Officer stopping traffic because the bridge is out. The combination of laws that are not understood or not agreeable and these aggressive measures of Law Enforcement has a negative effect upon responsible law abiding folks. You might not agree with that characterization of these events that we have seen in the Eastern Sierra lately as being heavy handed but we all look to our Law Enforcement Officers and all of our fellow human beings in times of trouble as heroes. That dynamic is one of cooperation , brotherhood, respect for one another and respect for the law. I always wanted my two girls to feel secure, to have no doubt, to have a trusted human to turn to. Why would any activity of law enforcement confuse the idea “to Protect and Serve.” Good Cops who are better than good get worn down by the job that they do, by the interactions of all that they deal with, a most difficult job indeed. It is not wisdom to think that stopping 2000 or 200 vehicles has a beneficial effect unless of course the bridge is out.

       
  11. baby Jesus September 23, 2013 at 1:58 pm #

    Perhaps Friends of the Inyo can obtain a grant to run a checkpoint or two? I think the public might react better to a friendly face looking for illegal stuff in their vehicle, then just a person in uniform…

    what do you think?

     
  12. Steve September 23, 2013 at 2:18 pm #

    Stopping people and searching without cause is a very dangerous slope. The intent may not be malice in this instance, but the tyranny of government will always manifest itself due to the corrupt self interest of human nature.

    In the Soviet Union police check points were the norm and I can recall my American Government teacher saying how great the USA is as the Bill of Rights (4th amendment) protected us from random searches. I am sadden to see these rights are being eroded for sake of “common good” or “Public Safety”. For the record driving down 395 is not probable cause for them to stop and search.

     
  13. sugar magnolia September 23, 2013 at 2:27 pm #

    funny how the same people who thought the burning man profiling was OK, don’t feel the same way about hunters. In fact, I hope they were inspecting all weapons and confiscating any that weren’t properly registered.

    How would you like seeing your great-grandpa’s gun that’s been in your family for decades confiscated because it’s not registered. That’s right, as you’ve all been saying, LEO have the right to pull you over to check you out whether they have reasonable suspicion or not just.

    What goes around comes around people.

     
    • Mr. NRA September 23, 2013 at 4:06 pm #

      Geez Salt Magnolia,
      Educate yourself much before posting things on the internet? HAHAHA!
      FYI: Currently, The US of A does not have a “gun registration.”

      I know that must bum you out…

       
      • Wayne Deja September 23, 2013 at 8:37 pm #

        Mr.NRA….If what sugar magnolia says is wrong in your educated eyes,if you have an older weapon with no serial numbers,or an older weapon that doesn’t have readable serial numbers,a good chance it could be taken….maybe given back later,but checked out,and probably by ATF…..Your rude comment comes across well with your posting name.

         
    • BobK September 23, 2013 at 6:56 pm #

      If it was my Great Grandfathers gun it does not need to be registered, same thing with my long Guns.

       
      • Amenda Deuce September 23, 2013 at 11:57 pm #

        John Wilkes Booth IV, I presume. BoobK, and NRA, the pen is mightier than the sword, and your pens aren’t helping my sword rights.

         
  14. Jeff Brown September 23, 2013 at 2:43 pm #

    These checkpoints are a small inconvenience compared to the coming “Manditory Forced Obama Care Home Inspections”… I agree with Robert Johnson, The Eastern Sierra Is starting to Look Like The Fourth Reich, Not Good

     
    • Big Rick OBrien September 23, 2013 at 8:43 pm #

      Coming soon to the Eastern Sierra…BLM checkpoint searching for purple glass and old bottles. Any vehicle with a visible rake, shovel, metal detector or any other digging implement will be subject to a MANDATORY search. This s*#t is getting old, FAST !

       
      • Info September 24, 2013 at 9:48 pm #

        That’s already happened…

         
  15. Mark September 23, 2013 at 2:46 pm #

    I don’t want to steal Up The Creeks thunder but..

    GOVERNMENT GONE WILD!

     
    • Pedro September 23, 2013 at 8:35 pm #

      Topless female wardens would stop most objections to frisk searches from hunters.

       
  16. Richard September 23, 2013 at 3:02 pm #

    How many hoodlums did the Thugs (Fish &Game) apprehend? Was it worth that giant payroll? 12 + trucks. What happened to a bus. Or were the excessive number of vehicles & uniforms needed to scare the public into a truthful answer. Yes I finally realize i’m i a POLICE STATE………POINT RECEIVED.

     
  17. Big Rick OBrien September 23, 2013 at 8:48 pm #

    After all this B.S. …and after 33 straight years of being SOMEWHERE in the eastern sierra on the last Saturday in April…I think I’m gonna skip the Opener this year. God knows how bad it’ll be by then.

     
  18. Mark September 24, 2013 at 5:54 am #

    These check points are excellent oppertunities for all of us to practice our constitutional rights.

    Exersize your rights or lose them people!

    I really have no problem with them checking on hunters. I like Deer and don’t like poachers.

    But the ol’ fish thing is one big joke, and complete job security for these DFW clowns. I have to wonder what would happen if I went through the check point with trout bought from the grocery store. Would I have to show them a receipt?

     
    • Mark1971 September 24, 2013 at 10:46 am #

      I was wondering about the store bought fish thing as well. What if you are driving home from a fishing trip in Oregon? Are those fish subject to the California possession limit?

      Do you ever read the weekly Q&A that Fish and Game does? They answer questions that people send to them about regulations and enforcement. The number of issues that can be interpreted in many different ways with discretion left up to the agent in the field is frightening.

      http://californiaoutdoorsqas.com/

       
      • Mark September 24, 2013 at 3:47 pm #

        I’d have to guess guilty until proven innocent

        That’s backwards from the way it should be!

         
  19. Robert Johnson September 24, 2013 at 6:04 am #

    After seeing these latest round of Checkpoints I’m actually considering Renouncing my U.S. Citizenship and moving abroad, have fun living in tha FEMA GULAG of the Nazi State Ya’ll, I’d rather be Fishing on a white sandy beach with No No, Game Warden, Sheriff, CHP, Police, Obama-Care Agents or other Alphabet soup Agency Gestapo- Agents to Stop, Detain, Search, and Impede my Human Right to Pursuit of Happiness. 🙂

     
  20. biscuits and gravy September 24, 2013 at 7:38 pm #

    Many of the above questions/concerns are clarified here:

    http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2013/07/civil-rights-during-a-traffic-stop-5-reminders.html

     
  21. Michael August 3, 2014 at 6:20 pm #

    I fully support Fish and Game, been fishing and hunting for many years. I have only been checked one time and it took all of about two minutes, she thanked me for my cooperation and let me go on about my business. Stop me any time, I will alway be within the law and have nothing to fear. For all of you that are screwing it up for the rest of us, I hope you get caught every single time you take or kill illegally, if I catch you, you can bet I will tern you in every single time.

     
    • Bob August 4, 2014 at 10:07 am #

      Kind of sick that you can enter the country illegally and be rewarded but if you’re over your limit by one stupid little fish you get a citation.

      Some Country we live in

      yeah good job DFW, whatever!

       
      • Wayne Deja August 4, 2014 at 12:41 pm #

        Bob… Two questions….Was Christopher Columbus an “illegal alien “…..and was he allowed to fish ?

         
        • Bob August 4, 2014 at 1:26 pm #

          Well I guess I’ll just mosey over to Mexico and fish. Oh wait I can’t do that they’ll throw me in jail.

           
        • The Aggressive Progressive August 4, 2014 at 2:27 pm #

          No, Christopher Columbus is a well celebrated individual in american history? You see, you can control the way people think, by the way you portray something and what information the people get at the time of portrayal, most of us have immigrant bloodline and become insanely hypocritical over this issue, especially if you put the pro-deportation camp in a immigrants shoes..
          just another reflection of this culture of fear that runs rampant among perspectives, the fear that there is not enough to go around…

           

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