High-speed chase ends at Crowley; suspect arrested on multiple charges

– Press release from the Inyo County Sheriff’s Office:

At 6:30AM Inyo County Sheriff’s Dispatch was notified that a female victim, who was out for a morning run along Ed Powers Road north of Bishop, was approached at gun point and that the suspect had fled northbound in a red Mini-Cooper.

Tommy Courtney

Tommy Courtney

The victim was running south on Ed Powers Road when she noticed the red Mini-Cooper pass her, and then pull off to the side of the road. The driver exited and began walking toward her; he was wearing a full face mask, with only holes for eyes and brandishing a handgun. She was instructed to get on the ground. At approximately the same time a vehicle approached from the south and the victim was able to flag down the driver; the driver of the vehicle initiated an emergency 911 call to Inyo County Sheriff’s Dispatch. The suspect fled, driving northbound on Highway 395.

Inyo County Sheriff’s Dispatch advised California Highway Patrol and Mono County Sheriff’s Office; the vehicle was spotted near Tom’s Place by Mono County Sheriff’s Office. A high speed pursuit commenced with speeds reaching beyond 120 miles per hour. The vehicle eventually exited at the Crowley Lake overpass at a speed estimated at 80-plus miles per hour. The vehicle hit the guardrail and crashed. The suspect fled on foot and began running toward the community of Crowley Lake, but was apprehended at gunpoint by Mono County Sheriff’s deputies.

The suspect was identified as Tommy Courtney, 21 years old, from Los Angeles. He is currently being held at the Inyo County Jail on the following charges: armed robbery, brandishing a fire arm, felon in possession of a firearm, vehicle theft, possession of stolen property, evading, and parole violation. Courtney is being held without bail due to the parole violation.

 

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114 Responses to High-speed chase ends at Crowley; suspect arrested on multiple charges

  1. Mark July 29, 2013 at 2:10 pm #

    The driver who called 911 probably saved this womens life.

    Better watch out Inyo/Mono Counties arrest to many blacks and you’ll have the Feds looking into it just like they did down in Palmdale.

    Tommy looks like a nice boy and I hear his mom is already saying he’s a victim.

     
    • Reality Check July 30, 2013 at 10:52 pm #

      What is important is to never get in the car or submit to being taken.. Once you get in the car, you most likely will not survive.

      Great job by everyone involved: The female jogger by running away and seeking help, The person in the vehicle who stopped to help the victim, called 911 and gave an accurate suspect vehicle description and the fast and professional team work by law enforcement in catching the suspect.

      A good lesson for all of us, it can happen here, even if it is not very often. This could of ended very bad with the headline of “Local Woman Disappears While Jogging”.

       
    • Josh August 1, 2013 at 8:09 am #

      Hey tha perp resembles “Passenger 57” ? eheheheh

       
    • Royder September 12, 2013 at 10:31 pm #

      Good thing he was on parole. You’d think armed robbery would prevent bail. Sheesh

       
    • Paco Shinola June 22, 2014 at 11:57 am #

      Whew Mark, at first I thought I was going to read something racist…oh wait.

       
  2. Tourbillon July 29, 2013 at 2:36 pm #

    Nice quick work Sheriffs. Perp is 21, already on parole, and illegally armed. Get the feeling he’s going to be a guest of the taxpayers for a long time. On a positive note, he managed to get a Mini Cooper up to 120 which I did not think possible even if one was dropped from an airplane.

     
    • Mongo The Idiot September 13, 2013 at 7:40 am #

      The speed of a Mini Cooper from a falling airplane would vary depending on the distance from which it was dropped.
      The acceleration of gravity near the earth is g = -9.81 m/s^2.
      The Mini would reach 120MPH just 12.23 seconds after being dropped out of the plane.

       
  3. Jake July 29, 2013 at 2:52 pm #

    I take it that the suspect hasnt been reading Sierra Wave. I would not run to Mono due to all of the recent criminals being busted on the 395. Good JOB MCSD!!!!

     
  4. Dingo July 29, 2013 at 2:53 pm #

    3 words (again): Right To Carry

     
    • TMR July 29, 2013 at 7:37 pm #

      Really, when was the last time you were jogging and packing your pistol? It is time for men to stop preying on women. You guys who post so often here ought to get together and do something for your community by educating other guys about violence against women. I realize you will attack this comment, but really, think about it.

       
      • Mark July 30, 2013 at 9:06 am #

        It starts with the parents and family values

         
      • Tourbillon July 30, 2013 at 11:32 am #

        TMR, that “educating” you speak of is supposed to start in the home, with the family – including not only fathers but also mothers and sisters – who bear the principal responsibility for “educating guys about violence against women.” Once a male has left the formative years, “other guys” in the community have very little influence over him, other than to prevent him from attacking (as was done) and then catch him and lock him up (as was also done).

        So don’t throw the failure of this man’s upbringing over the wall onto those “other guys” who did their part and did it well in this case. The problem starts at home – with a mother who probably bore this person to an absentee father.

         
        • TMR July 31, 2013 at 8:03 pm #

          Yes, I understand about the formative years you speak about. However, if you look at male culture and, for instance, the boys who get a girl drunk and rape her and then text photos to friends, it is very often white males from families where there are two parents living in the home (look at the statistics). There is more to this than just what happens in the family. Like I said, i knew this comment would get attacked…it’s not a popular opinion on a site like this. But, ask around to your women friends….are they afraid of being attacked or hassled? In my opinion, if guys held other guys more accountable for their words/actions about women, we would have less of this crap.

           
          • Tourbillon August 1, 2013 at 1:58 pm #

            I agree that men should not feel afraid to be good influences, on their families and on their friends. If it were still possible in an increasingly uncouth culture, more chivalry indeed should be encouraged in how men expect ladies to be treated. You would not call it “chivalry” perhaps, but I think we are close to agreeing on principle.

            I do not know about your hypothetical two parent families – I do not doubt that many produce bad apples these days – but what is relevant to this case, and to your comment, is that nationwide, 70% of black children are born out of wedlock. The odds that Tommy from L.A. ever was around the kind of men who would be good role models and positive influences in the way he thought about women are slim and none. For you to use him as a cudgel to rail against “male culture” in general, as if anyone outside his hood can do anything to protect women from him now other than to lock him up, does not speak well of your judgment or fairness. You may have a point, but you have chosen a spectacularly inapt pulpit from which to deliver your sermon.

             
          • Big AL August 1, 2013 at 9:03 pm #

            And TMR .. why do you choose to view comments as attacks .. when we are just discussing it .. our views and thoughts are not attacks, why does that have to come into play?

             
          • Ulysses August 26, 2013 at 5:49 pm #

            TMR grow up.

             
        • Big AL August 1, 2013 at 9:01 pm #

          I agree Trourbillon .. but the problem really began when he didn’t get the positive reinforcement and teaching from the ones who count, the ones who were supposed to parent him, and who knows as well … if that didn’t happen, sometimes you just cant reach certain people. But really .. society as large contributes to situations like this.

          I agree that it isn’t right to throw it back on us men, in general … that makes one just resent that sentiment and purpose. A lot of men do step up to the plate and try to make a difference, the problem is actually very isolated, as is this case, when you think of it in the grand scheme of things.

          There are a lot more good people doing good things, but something like this sort of breaks the serenity of things when we hear of it. And please don’t let us make a scam of this issue like the media and others did with the Martin/Zimmerman case.

           
        • Paco Shinola June 22, 2014 at 11:54 am #

          Yes, we can all claim that this type of education begins at home but what if you are the product of a broken home? Then what?

          And observing the behavior of many adult males, I posit that not enough of those raised in non-broken homes are getting the message either.

           
      • How to pass gun control legistlation July 31, 2013 at 4:12 pm #

        •Write gun control legislation. Pass gun control legislation.

        •Before voting on gun control bill, try, if you can, to remember any recent examples in which guns have been used to kill innocent people.

        •Acknowledge that it’s going to be hard to buck the pressure of the high-powered gun lobby, but not that damn hard, dumb*ss.

        •Consider if overwhelming public support for a particular measure is something you want to be associated with or not.

        •Inform your decision by researching whether guns are good or bad when placed in the wrong hands.

        •Muster everything that’s left in your black, desiccated heart to do something that might actually be of service to someone other than yourself.

        •Carefully assess the other side of the argument wherein mentally unstable people can buy weapons at a gun show with no problem whatsoever, and then realize there is no other side of this argument.

        •Put on your stupid little suit, run a comb through your greasy hair, go to the U.S Capitol building, pick up your fancy little gold pen, and pass a f-ing gun control bill.

         
        • Royd September 13, 2013 at 12:46 pm #

          And how would that stop this man? Doubt his Parole Officer approved the purchase.

           
      • Big AL August 1, 2013 at 8:49 pm #

        Well I will comment, I am not attacking this comment, but really? I understand what you’re saying but I don’t think you made many allies TMR.

        You can pack a pistol jogging, you don’t have to carry a cannon, but that is beside the point. Yes people do need to change things, not only how we treat women, rather how we treat anyone!

        Violence against women is on the rise but that is only because violence .. in general, is on the rise. As another poster commented, family values. Values period .. are not being bolstered.

        Like I just told me wife … what would have happened if the other person didn’t happen along right at that moment ….

        How stupid can you get .. acting like no one would notice you trying to abduct someone at gun point, having them lying on the ground. Steal a car, and think it is all a movie you are a part in.

        Sad though … He has wasted his life, threw away his chance to make something of it, for this. Thank God … the other person was there!

         
    • Senate Blocks Gun Control July 31, 2013 at 4:17 pm #

      In spite of a bipartisan compromise to impose background checks for nearly all sales of firearms, the Senate, last April failed to reach the 60-vote threshold needed to defeat a filibuster yesterday, effectively ending the federal push for gun control. What do you think?

      “This is crazy. It’s almost as if some organization is paying them not to pass this bill.”
      Bonnie Lazarus –
      Systems Analyst

      “As a politician, you can’t just do whatever’s popular, pragmatic, and necessary.”
      Bart Haagensen –
      Riveter

      “They waited too long. Last month, all you heard was ‘Gun control! Gun control!’ Now it’s just, ‘Star Trek trailer! Star Trek trailer!’”
      Jay Stratton –
      Gas Station Attendant

       
  5. Wayne Deja July 29, 2013 at 2:54 pm #

    WHERE DO THEY FIND THESE PEOPLE !!!!!

     
    • Get used to crime July 29, 2013 at 3:40 pm #

      Get used to it, Wayne.
      As the economy worsens, there are more people than good jobs, and people are more divided politically than during the Civil War era – some will do the strangest things to get their chip dip money.
      And the rich continue to get richer.

       
    • Big Rick OBrien July 29, 2013 at 6:32 pm #

      Los Angeles, Wayne…the” City of Angels”. He’s got that oh so familiar defiant, hardcore,convict grin doesn’t he ? I bet he pee’d his pants when the deputies racked their shotguns.

       
    • Badfinger July 30, 2013 at 10:46 am #

      THEY can be found in Lone Pine, CA among other places of the same persuasion 🙂

       
  6. Roy July 29, 2013 at 4:33 pm #

    I bet that chump has a lengthy rap sheet. Too bad his crash wasn’t a fatal,, he would have deserved the results….

     
  7. sugar magnolia July 29, 2013 at 5:25 pm #

    4 comments so far and not a one makes any sense. I’m sure the woman jogger got the scare of her life this morning. I hope this doesn’t leave any emotional scars. Thank god the car came along when it did. I also thank god that we live in a place where this is shocking to us and hard to believe.

    And I love that there is no place to run here. Do a crime and, most likely, you’re going down.
    I wonder what he can be charged with. Attempted kidnapping? maybe hard to prove, brandishing a weapon, that doesn’t sound like a very strong charge. Attempted robbery? Joggers don’t usually carry any valuables. I’m sure the DA will come up with something good and lets hope we can make it stick!

     
    • Mark July 30, 2013 at 9:47 am #

      “And I love that there is no place to run here”

      You’ve got to be kidding, I guess you haven’t been outdoors lately.

       
      • Mark July 30, 2013 at 2:20 pm #

        With all the talk about jogging I assumed you were speaking of running for your health, I just realized you were probably speaking of running from law enforcement.

        There really is no place to run from the cops. Although if you’re a bank robber you can at least make it back to Chalfant.

        Did I mention I’m pretty sure this guy passed me North bound on 395 on Friday or Saturday. I don’t remember which day I think it was Friday about 2 p.m. But I absolutely observed a black man wearing a hat driving a red mini cooper who looked a lot like the guy in the picture.

         
        • sugar magnolia August 2, 2013 at 8:31 am #

          I can tell by your posts that thinking is not your strong suit, so I understand your confusion!

           
      • Reality Check July 31, 2013 at 5:09 pm #

        Mark, so where do you hide when you are driving a car and the cops have a description. On Hwy 395 there is only190-136, 168,6, 120, and the Poleline Road. If you are running away on 395, the cops have radios don’t you know?

        All the escape routes can be covered by radio faster than you can drive.

         
        • Mark August 1, 2013 at 8:57 am #

          There’s no place to hide. The get away car would need to be ditched, another vehicle aquired, then the criminal could take any road they wanted. Fortunately these idiots don’t think past the moment.

           
          • Oh,yes they can August 1, 2013 at 7:00 pm #

            Back a few years ago,there was a traffic stop in the area between Olancha and the rest stop area south,and the guys in the duelly truck with their dog took off and had a pursuit.Near the rest stop,they headed off-road,ended up rolling the truck down a steep gully,and took off on foot….at night-time….I think the CHP knew who they were,but from what I understand,they got away that night….maybe found and arrested for it later,but that’s a hard one to prove in a court of law if you deny you were driving….

             
  8. Sean July 29, 2013 at 5:39 pm #

    We are probably going to see more of this type of thing as crooks are let out of prison early due to budget cuts and overcrowding. Kudos to the guy who called 911 and scared this POS off and to the cops who chased him down and caught him.

    Watch out for thy neighbors….

     
  9. John Barton July 29, 2013 at 9:14 pm #

    So if a black guy commits the crime, it’s a burglary gone bad but if the black guy is the “victim” it’s racially motivated and on every media outlet. What’s wrong with this picture?

     
    • Ken Warner July 30, 2013 at 8:16 am #

      What’s wrong is that you give the media any credibility at all — except of course Sierra Wave.

      The media exists to sell ads for large corporations. The media will do almost anything including exploiting any personal tragedy they can amplify well beyond any reason. Just to get the “Clutch the Pearls” crowd to gasp and tsk tsk at dinner time. Or to get the Archie Bunkers to furiously bulge their eyes out of their red puffed up heads over the top of their beer can.

      They will show you Anthony Weiner’s crotch so they can tell you how awful it is to look at — for years. Weiner should be Mayor of New York, he’s been a gold mine for the media industry there.

      If you like to carry a weapon — shoot your TV and do yourself a favor.

       
    • Mark July 30, 2013 at 11:44 am #

      I wonder if this will be Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson’s first trip to Inyo County?

       
      • Wayne Deja July 30, 2013 at 2:43 pm #

        Mark,if your refering to the Zimmerman-Martin confrantation,it’s like comparing apples and oranges to this one….The girl that was attacked wasn’t following,stalking,and didn’t pull a gun on anyone….she was jogging and minding her own business.

         
        • Mark July 31, 2013 at 9:55 am #

          Following someone isn’t illegal and doesn’t qualify as stalking.

          I followed a suspicious person yesterday. He was suspicious because he drove a mile up my private driveway and continued on pass my house, this may happen once a year. People are usually lost or up to know good when this happens.

          all well within my right

           
          • Wayne Deja September 13, 2013 at 6:45 pm #

            Mark….thing is,when one chooses to stalk,follow and then confront a person,if it ain’t on your property,a good chance you’ll be the one getting confronted and maybe asked why your doing it…and maybe getting the worse end of the confrontation….like Zimmerman did….or at least untill he pulled the gun and shot the kid….but judging from the latest news stories on this guy Zimmerman,he’ll eventually get his….one way or the other….kinda like with O.J….just go to hope for no more innocent people… ex-wives,girlfriends or teen-agers killed by him before he does…

             
      • Trouble July 31, 2013 at 1:42 am #

        I hear ya Mark. But I doubt they find a room.

         
    • Reality Check July 31, 2013 at 5:11 pm #

      It is doubtful this was a burglary as the victim was not in a building and joggers do not carry a purses or cash. The lady was due for a one way ride and she did everything right to get away.

       
  10. Roy July 30, 2013 at 6:26 am #

    The news article in the Inyo Register says that he had been released on parole two days earlier… I bet he was one of those clowns released early from prison…Heard a news item on the radio yesterday that said crime in all categories has gone up since 2012 in Calif…. I can guarantee you its due to the early release of thousands of prisoners from state prison…

     
  11. BlazeWhitney July 30, 2013 at 7:14 am #

    I think it is highly doubtful robbery was the only thing on this guys mind. Thank goodness that someone came along and scared this guy off.

     
  12. Dee July 30, 2013 at 7:20 am #

    He could have been Obama’s son. Good thing she didn’t stand her ground, she be up for a hate crime.

     
    • sugar magnolia July 30, 2013 at 8:55 am #

      Let’s see Dee, Treyvon Martin wasn’t carrying a gun and George Zimmerman approached him. Just how do you think the scenario on Ed Powers was anything like what happened in Florida? If you can’t think intelligently, please don’t post!

       
  13. Mark July 30, 2013 at 9:02 am #

    I’m pretty sure this guy passed me North bound on 395 either Friday or Saturday. I remember the car and and the guy driving but he was wearing a hat.

     
    • Big AL August 1, 2013 at 9:16 pm #

      LOL Mark

       
  14. Mark July 30, 2013 at 9:04 am #

    btw, what’s the point of gun control when it only takes this guy two days to get a gun after getting out of jail?

     
    • Big Rick OBrien July 30, 2013 at 9:29 pm #

      This incident is the PERFECT example of how gun control DOES NOT work. Bad guys will always be able to get their hands on a piece, to use against the law-abiding public who they know are un-armed and unable to protect themselves. The time has come for Kalifornia to join 35 other states and become “SHALL ISSUE”. And BTW, where in the he#* does a convict, 2 days out of the joint get a mini cooper ?

       
      • Big AL August 1, 2013 at 9:18 pm #

        That will never happen Rick … this state is to messed up .. and well .. does auto theft ring a bell? LOL Kalifornia loves to lead the way with anything stupid now days.

         
        • Big Rick OB August 2, 2013 at 2:47 pm #

          Yeah, I know Al, but it was a nice thought anyhow. We are (Kalifornia) the laughing stock of the country as far as the 2nd ammendment, right behind Illinois and Washington D.C.

           
          • Big AL August 2, 2013 at 8:55 pm #

            Scary isn’t Rick …

             
          • Philip Anaya August 3, 2013 at 4:32 pm #

            Dear Big and Big of the Owens Valley
            Doesn’t it make sense that if you advocate for gun owner rights and liberties that you should also advocate for gun owner responsibilities and should be active in organizing and doing things like a “clean up day” at all the unofficial gun ranges in the Owens Valley (ie : Lower Silver Creek ) of all the spent casings that litter the ground. How about a recycle law and a 5 cent per shell casing deposit that boy scouts or other youth groups could take advantage of.
            By the way, how big do I have to be to make the world a better place? I’ve been called many things and some how, secrets be told I like my Sasquatch nick name best. Is it an exercise of physical “eye for an eye dominance” that will insure a better human condition on the planet or is it a certain kind of wisdom and reaction of some kind of angel that confronts the evil that Tommy was not allowed to perpetrate on our neighbor. What’s big may be the occasion to help someone in need . Calling our Law Enforcement Officers is big . Supporting them, is big ,but only the beginning of being able to work with them. Being big or small always has a limit . Brute force is big . Wisdom combined with necessary force is bigger. I’m thinking Dan Watson is big, bigger than big.
            So if I’m a xl or 2xl size 12 ee shoe, If I make people a bit nervous with my bulk, I have to make sure I’m a big dog not a mad dog. I gotta exceed with the brain power to the brute force . It’s all about limiting oneself somehow and over coming and over riding just “being big”. I hope you know what I mean. It’s kinda like being “big inside information”. So don’t let me see you being small in tolerance, in thought, in humanity and don’t let me get a way with that either . If we are big and we need to wear that title honorably, we need to be biggest in wisdom and our humanity. Being big, what a gift .

             
    • Ray C September 6, 2013 at 2:59 pm #

      The only thing gun control does is keep guns out of our hands…The bad guys dont give a —- about gun laws…they just steal ours!

       
  15. Wayne Deja July 30, 2013 at 11:07 am #

    Dee….I don’t think the female in this case instigated the confrantation by following the guy around or pulling a weapon on HIM….If she had a weapon with her, she could have used it with no charges filed,the same as Treyvon Martin could have if he had a weapon with him the night he was killed.Wonder if George is still sitting in his house afraid to leave and counting on the public to donate for his rent,food,utility bills,etc…….besides the new pistol that the public donations are buying for him……WHAT A JOKE…

     
    • Big AL August 1, 2013 at 9:19 pm #

      Yeah right Wayne.

       
      • The Case For/Against Zimmerman August 3, 2013 at 11:39 am #

        FOR

        •Typed, signed letter from Martin confirming he attacked Zimmerman

        •Americans have soft spot for nation’s rugged, rawly sexual neighborhood watch volunteers

        •Actions fall within the letter of Florida’s “Get Out Of Your Car, Track Down Your Target, Provoke A Fight, Then Stand Your Ground” law

        •That scary photo of Trayvon Martin flipping off the camera

        •Big, round, happy moonface reminiscent of beloved comedian Jonathan Winters

        •Not convicting him would have a fun “Wow, how the hell did this happen?” kind of craziness to it

        •Only shot unarmed black guy once, as opposed to national average of 21 times

        •Presence of an eloquent and highly persuasive Henry Fonda in the jury box

        •He didn’t do it

        AGAINST

        •Murdered a kid

        •Alibi that he was bowling with friends at the time of the crime falls apart under close scrutiny

        •Decency, common sense, basic morality, etc
        .
        •Best-case scenario: He got into a fight with a 17-year-old and then shot and killed him

        •His original description of Trayvon Martin as 8 feet tall, 250 pounds, and carrying a semiautomatic is dodgy at best

        •Chilling 911 call features Zimmerman saying, “Hold on a sec, I’m going to kill this black kid real quick”

        •Millions of paranoid, racist a**holes leaping to Zimmerman’s support may actually be hurting his public image

        •Always good to make the American legal system seem fair from time to time

         
  16. Roy July 30, 2013 at 1:43 pm #

    This incident has noting to do with Travon in Florida…There is no doubt in my mind this A-Hole only had two things in mind,,, kidnap and sexually assault the woman and maybe murder her or rob her which is highly doubtful as I seriously doubt she had anything on her worth robbing for…. He was nothing but a criminal looking to pray on the innocent of society and the best thing that could have happened was the Mono Deputies terminating his right to breathe air…..At his young age he will be involved in many more serious crimes in his life as we all know he won’t spend any serious time in prison….

    Hopefully he lives a very short life……

     
    • Mark July 30, 2013 at 3:38 pm #

      [At his young age he will be involved in many more serious crimes in his life]

      as would have Trayvon had his right to breath air not been terminated

      other then that we agree

       
      • Wayne Deja July 30, 2013 at 8:43 pm #

        Mark…A good chance George Zimmerman will be involved in another serious crime too in his lifetime….but the thing is,he won’t be the perpetrator of the crime this time around…..maybe the victim….

         
      • TBone August 1, 2013 at 11:24 am #

        Racism, alive and well in Inyo County.

         
        • Big AL August 1, 2013 at 9:22 pm #

          Why do you say that Tbone?

           
          • TBone August 2, 2013 at 1:07 pm #

            Because Mark simply assumed that Travon was destined to be a career criminal, had he not been murdered at 17. On what, exactly, is he basing this assumption?

             
        • Trouble August 1, 2013 at 9:36 pm #

          TBone- It’s not near as bad as it was 30 years ago. Get over it.

           
          • Rezboy August 2, 2013 at 10:46 am #

            Trust me, It’s just as Bad as it was 30 years ago.. at least in Inyo County it Is… and tha “Bishop Klann” Is alive and well Lurking in tha shadows of tha Bishop scenery …

             
        • Mark August 2, 2013 at 8:46 am #

          I don’t think it’s racism as much as a well earned profile

          the racism word is worn out

           
  17. Charles O. Jones July 30, 2013 at 6:20 pm #

    Great work Mono County Sheriffs.
    Thanks for your efforts getting this criminal off the streets.

     
  18. Ken Warner July 31, 2013 at 8:48 am #

    All of you who still believe what the media told you about Zimmerman/Martin should read what “JTF” posted. And remember the media was just trying to sell ads by exploiting what happened. The media told you lies and you believed them and now Zimmerman is a demon. No doubt he will be blamed or used as a comparison in the future for many awful crimes — just because many of you have allowed yourself to be programmed to believe something that didn’t happen.

    Just the facts July 30, 2013 at 6:04 pm #

    http://www.dlas.org/questions-zimmerman-verdict/

     
    • J-Frog July 31, 2013 at 11:05 am #

      “just because many of you have allowed yourself to be programmed to believe something that didn’t happen.”
      Nice Ken! That can be relevent on both sides, (the Zimmerman side or Treyvon side).
      The thing that gets me is how one can pursue, provoke, get physically owned by the person he assumed was doing wrong, and then when he realizes he is getting beat up, one is legally justified to shoot and kill, and then we are left only with the George’s word.
      Treyvon was standing his ground! not the trigger happy coward!
      Back on the programmed to believe statement I liked oh so much, our medias show us case’s like Jodi areas, Casey Anthony, that linebacker case right now, but when it comes to serious relevant case’s like the Bradley manning case they don’t show us.. I heard this point a lil bit ago and I thought it was a good one; When jesus was crucified, in that time period you weren’t crucified for murder, rape or all the more hurtful crimes people do to eachother, but you would get crucified if you spoke out against the STATE, you know the beloved leadership, and that is exactly where we are now with or government/Establishment, Bradley Manning’s intent was to show the american people the true cost of war and what was going on in Iraq, there was obvious war crimes happening but none of the culprits of the war crimes where put on trial only the one who exposed it. so we have gotten to a serious police state where any information on the internet, if it hurts the establishment in anyway they can make the case it is aiding the enemy so what does that do for journalism? This is a sad scene ladies and gentleman. I wouldn’t sit this one out if you really have true pride in your country and believe in freedom and liberty!
      http://www.Wolf-Pac.com

       
      • Big AL August 2, 2013 at 4:44 pm #

        Jerry .. I don’t think Zimmerman is a trigger happy coward, Nice one though …

        If he was .. he would have pulled his gun .. brandished it right away, now there is trigger happy. I think he could have shot for effect maybe (warning shot).

        My dad always said, the gun only comes out when someone is guna die. In a situation such as that he was right. Zimmerman thought he was in mortal danger when the kid was yelling at him, that he was going to die (meaning he was going to kill him .. beat him to death).

        What would you have done in the same situation .. it’s easy to play out the scenario and say you would do this and that, but in panic .. you defend yourself. Don’t forget, there were witnesses who saw and heard what was going on.

        Zimmerman is just as much a victim of what you are claiming the internet police are doing to people who speak out about what is wrong. Look how our Department of Justice jumped on it, helped the defense, and even incited people to a mob mentality.

        Our president even stuck his nose in it and added to the flames. The government is trying to get the internet providers and site administrators to give up our passwords to them .. for everything we do on the net. Why would they want to do this .. just to catch some terrorists? If you think that brother … you’re blind as a bat.

        It’s all part of the NWO, get full access to everything, they ca take you away, you will never be seen again .. believe that will never happen … then you might as well drink the koolaid now and get it over with.

         
        • J-Frog August 6, 2013 at 8:01 am #

          Zimmerman is as much as a victim? Seriously? Lets get this straight what we say from here is all speculation when not mentioning any of the evidence. So Big AL what was Treyvon do wrong that night to loose his LIFE? What good does a toxicology test do on the dead one? just to justify the death a lil more? Zimmerman is a coward! He pursued, Provoked and his lame self was getting handled and killed a UNARMED individual..
          What would I do? If I was being followed by a strange person in the rain I would have flipped that switch as well to protect myself.
          So how is his death justified? HUH? because black kids get themselves in bad predicaments and that is what happens? Treyvon was going from point a to point b while GZ was seeking out something to do because he is one sorry individual looking for acceptance.
          Blind as a BAT? Gee Big Al I thought we got over the name calling? I believe in the 1st and 4th amendment, I believe if they are going to get anybody personal info that they need to be investigating a specific case or pin pointed reason not a blanket investigation on the whole country, we are the possible terrorist in the Gov’t eyes Big AL, and this country’s Gov’t is the biggest terror among the world while some of you just believe this is the greatest country in the world and we are the good guys, Y’all are all blind as a bat in your complacent bubbles. The Drone program proves my point!
          Oh Yeah all you right wingers need to know the Islamic gihadist that do bombings are Far “right wingers” in the Islamic spectrum, progressives and liberals rarely or never do that! But right wingers don’t need facts…the progressives and libs of Islam are into secularism. But go ahead and keep reinforcing your stance with garbage!
          Yes I said it all you right wingers have the same political fundamentalist way of thinking that the bombers do, so if was y’all i wouldn’t be so proud of your political stances.. but then again not everybody cares, but unfortunately they still vote.
          Mark says he be honored to have him as a neighbor? LOL LOL that hilarious Mark, George Zimmerman has the biggest target on his head, I hope you have a bunker, because he and anyone around him may need it..

           
          • Nothing to worry about August 6, 2013 at 10:16 am #

            Not to worry J-Frog.
            The far-right made a lot of noise, and now refuses to compromise on anything other than their life philosophy completely forgetting this country is a huge melting pot. Not everyone is white, Christian and worships the rich.
            There are more little guys than the far-right could ever imagine and their movement is doomed to failure.
            Why do you think the GOP is desperately trying to distance itself from the far-right?
            Nobody believes fascism is the way to go.

             
    • Mark July 31, 2013 at 11:32 am #

      Not me; Zimmerman is a good man in my opinion. I’d be honored to have him as my nieghbor.

      The second the judge said Mr. Zimmerman you’re free to go he should have said “I’d like my gun back immediately your honor”.

       
    • Big AL August 1, 2013 at 9:29 pm #

      You’re right Ken .. . I didn’t drink that koolaid crap they were pushing … a lot of people did though. And I love how people make the comment about racism being alive and well in Inyo county, because some do not believe the lies that were perpetrated on us in that case and others. This case doesn’t even compare other than the main character is black .. and so now we see how it is playing out through all of the comments about racism and men not owning their responsibilities for things like this.

      When in the end .. who is responsible for … THIS … situation? The dumb ass who thought he was going to take this woman! That’s who!

       
      • sugar magnolia August 2, 2013 at 8:29 am #

        Based on the posts on this website, racism is definitely alive and well in Inyo County. To be honest, I’m shocked, horrified,and embarrassed by the racism espoused here.

        I don’t drink the kool-aid, I read things for myself and make my own decisions and unfortunately SOME people here are plain and simple racist. I won’t paint Inyo County as racist, but when clearly racist comments get multiple thumbs up, that’s scary.

         
  19. ferdinand lopez July 31, 2013 at 8:56 am #

    quality human being,use him for target practice

     
  20. ferdinand lopez July 31, 2013 at 9:06 am #

    how far do you have to move from l.a. to get some peace from these people

     
    • Mark July 31, 2013 at 11:33 am #

      You’re going to have to move out of California. I suggest a State where it is legal to carry a weapon.

       
      • J-Frog August 6, 2013 at 8:01 am #

        What are you so scared of? Or you need a weapon to feel safe or like a man?

         
        • Another boomer freaks out August 6, 2013 at 11:19 am #

          Some crusty, old lunatic, over a land dispute, took his Magnum and murdered 3 people in a township meeting shouting, “I wished I could have killed more!” in Pennsylvania today.
          What is it with these nutty old boomers? Why have so many of them lost their freaking minds?
          And why does society allow these freaks to own firearms?
          Don’t they have psychological tests before selling guns to these wackos?

           
          • J-Frog/JeremiahJoseph August 7, 2013 at 10:29 am #

            Check this out Another boomer freaks out! Hey NRA Lovers! Your gonna love this! LOL!!
            In this incident the NRA’s main talking points were countered BIGTIME!
            So we have a Good Guy WITHOUT a gun stopping a Bad Guy WITH a gun. Point number 2, he had to stop and reload because he had standard size magazines! which gave the HERO the chance to tackle him. CASE AND POINT! Where you at NRA lovers? put your cards on the table so we can weed out the garbage!
            If violence is the ANSWER? You forgot the QUESTION!

             
  21. Crazy people are everywhere July 31, 2013 at 2:03 pm #

    You are right “ferdinand lopez” (clearly a fictitious name) .
    And as each and every city gets more and more overcrowded and number of unemployed worsens, the more crime you are going to see.

    However, you don’t have to go to L.A. to find crazy people with guns. There are plenty of them right here in The Sierra.

     
  22. Cracker August 1, 2013 at 4:51 am #

    I’d a shot his stinking brains out. And became a hero! Like Zimmerman!

     
    • Wayne Deja August 1, 2013 at 7:36 am #

      Cracker……AND then you could say your getting all these “threats”,saying you can’t leave your home in fear of your safety, open up a web-site and start asking for $$$ and hand-outs from the public to pay your rent,buy your food, your gas,pay your utility bills,car payment,nights out,a new wardrobe for your wife….and then file for bankruptcy AFTER you get all that money from the fools that sent it to you,and hide it from the bankruptcy courts….and when that’s all said and done,ask for ANOTHER donation from the public to buy you a new pistol.

       
      • Cracker August 2, 2013 at 9:34 am #

        If you say so!

         
    • sugar magnolia August 1, 2013 at 10:54 am #

      shooting an armed man who is attacking a person = hero
      shooting an unarmed man walking home from the store = not a hero

      I do agree that GZ wasn’t guilty of homicide, but that doesn’t make him a hero. He made a horrible mistake with tragic consequences. That should not be celebrated.

       
      • Ken Warner August 1, 2013 at 7:36 pm #

        You have manufactured a scenario that is different than Zimmerman being pinned to the ground by a 6 foot tall 160 pound man who was beating him — possibly to serious injury or death. That’s what really was happening.

        Here’s my imaginary scenario — Zimmerman was beaten and during the beating his wind pipe was crushed and he died because he wasn’t armed. That’s just as likely as your imaginary scenario.

         
        • Cracker August 2, 2013 at 9:43 am #

          Kens totally got it. Zimmerman or the female jogger could have been killed and her raped and killed. Her protectors are Hero’s. It’s time we all take back our streets from trash like the ones we are talking about here. They were both up to no good. And I would say the same thing if they were white. I hate all those law breaking criminals. LOCK AND LOAD BABY. I don’t call 911 Wayne!

           
      • Wayne Deja August 1, 2013 at 8:09 pm #

        Sugar magnolia…IMO he should have gotten manslaughter…….10 years in prison…He’s the one that started the altracation in the first place…but it’s Florida…..

         
        • Big AL August 2, 2013 at 4:49 pm #

          Have some Koolaid Wayne

           
      • Big AL August 1, 2013 at 9:40 pm #

        George Zimmerman is no hero, don’t even play that game … Yeah he made a mistake, so did Trevon Martin when he was on top of Zimmerman beating his head against the pavement after he broke his nose telling Zimmerman he is going to die tonight. Oh but the photos that show that (Zimmerman with his nose broken and the back of his head bleeding) were not truth.

        So you see Trevon was not the innocent lil boy the media and others portrayed him to be. BUT, he should never have died. Kinda funny Zimmerman didn’t pull his pistol until he really feared he was going to die. Because you know, he didn’t pull it out right off the bat and blast the kid. Although that is what everyone believes.

        Dammit .. I didn’t want to make this crap into a comparison of the two cases, but as Ken says .. the media fed us a buttload of crap and a lot of people swallowed it down! And people are comparing this case to that one because he is black, how freeking sad!

         
        • Mark August 2, 2013 at 10:39 am #

          When it comes to hero’s they are all debatable.

           
        • Wayne Deja August 2, 2013 at 12:18 pm #

          Big Al…..Are you so sure that’s how it went down ?….Martin confronting Zimmerman,slamming him to the ground,beating his head multiple times on the pavement,punching him 25+ times,MMA style, breaking his nose,then reaching for his pistol and saying “your going to die tonight”?…Let’s ask Treyvon Martin if that’s what happened….Oh,wait,we can’t ask him …..he’s dead…. Why do you believe Zimmerman’s account of everything ?…He’s a known liar….a woman beater,and got into bar-fights in his past…and a moocher.I’m a firm believer in self-defense and the “stand your ground ” laws,wish they were Nationwide….but this case didn’t fit EITHER criteria..Two reasons he was found not guilty…# 1,the State couldn’t prove it’s case, according to the jury…and # 2,it was in Florida,where people can kill 2 year old children and get away with it,AND unarmed kids coming home from a 7/11 store with an ice tea.

           
          • Big AL August 2, 2013 at 8:48 pm #

            The photos don’t lie Wayne .. but the court wouldn’t allow them … The court was stacked against him .. but the truth prevailed as I see it .. But Ilove how people seem to pint out that … Zimmerman killed him with no restraint … funny how he got his ass whooped by a good lil boy who was obsessed with street fighting, and he didn’t use his gun until he was about to die .. and Zimmerman knew Martin was not the angel .. everyone made him to be, it was why he was keeping an eye on him. So your way of thinking about them both is in contrast about how I think of them both. What is more important, is the evidence, and the evidence must have backed up the verdict.

            And you can say all you want about the reason he was found not guilty .. at the end of the day, the evidence ad the truth is what prevailed, just too bad he’s white and the kid was black!

             
          • Big AL August 2, 2013 at 8:51 pm #

            He was coming home with two ingredients .. one being ice tea, ad the other skittles .. .. to add to the third ingredient to make a narcotic drink, popular amongst young people. Autopsy showed he had amounts of the narcotic in his liver, which had substantial damage consistent with abuse from that narcotic.

            His own mother put him out of the house because she could not control him and his anger.

             
        • Ken Warner August 2, 2013 at 5:25 pm #

          No he’s not a hero. He’s just like the rest of the people here how advocate carrying a gun. And he is alive now.

          I don’t like guns — I’ve never owned a gun. But Zimmerman may be alive today because he had one.

          What bugs me is that people insist on characterizing Zimmermans actions as predatory or stalking. He was a Neighborhood Watch volunteer. Many people her have advocated volunteering to help the PD. And Zimmerman who did just that is characterized as some sort of deviant.

          Seems like when someone actually does the things people here advocate, then there’s something wrong with that person.

           
          • Big AL August 2, 2013 at 8:53 pm #

            Yes Ken … it’s all good until someone gets hurt or profiled.

             
          • J-Frog August 6, 2013 at 12:19 pm #

            No Ken the imaginary scenario is Treyvon was doing something wrong! and then he is punished for standing his ground? WTF!
            No If GZ didn’t have a GUN he wouldn’t have had so much courage, just like a lot of people.. My opinion.. It’s like a gangster that are like “okay I’m gonna go get my homies” or in another perspective “Oh yeah? lets see what my .357 has to say about that” its the same type of “shortcut to dismissal” from acting in a civil, logical and fair ways. LAME!!!!!!!

             
    • Rachael Jeantel August 6, 2013 at 9:21 pm #

      Thats “Cracka” not “Cracker”. There is a difference as I explained before.

       
  23. ferdinand lopez August 1, 2013 at 9:31 am #

    im always right “crazy people are everywhere” clearly a name handed down thru gererations

     
    • takes one to know one August 1, 2013 at 8:24 pm #

      You should know, ferdie.

       
  24. Anita August 2, 2013 at 8:44 am #

    Very grateful the jogger was not injured or abducted. Thank you to the driver who called 911; I’m sure you know you probably saved a life today. Thanks to all the law enforcement officers who participated in catching the bad guy. We are lucky to live in an area where this type of event is so rare, and where we have such good “good guys.”

     
  25. Rezboy August 2, 2013 at 10:53 am #

    The Future Belongs to those that Prepare Today…for the coming “CIVIL WAR II”, which is going to be a Bloodbath, making the original one look like a picnic 🙂

     
  26. J-Frog August 6, 2013 at 8:07 am #

    It’s funny to talk politics with some that believe the establish medias….. We walk among a bunch of sheep when the time is now to come together and get “we the peoples” voice back on the table but instead some carry others best interest directly and indirectly among their own argument.
    NewsFlash we do not have a democracy anymore, why the misguided battles??

     
    • Never did have a Democracy August 6, 2013 at 10:05 am #

      J-Frog –
      We never did have a “Democracy.” We have a Republic. And the richest are becoming more and more powerful by the day (And too many are allowing this to happen).
      There is a growing movement towards more community involvement and adopting a “one-term-and-you’re-out” society.

       
      • J-Frog August 6, 2013 at 3:05 pm #

        I believe in a Government by the people for the people, you know, kinda like it was when the settlers came here… Also the founding fathers of this American Nation gave us the best tool to get our Democracy/Republic back from those in power, because it is obvious power corrupts.. we were given a tool that if 3/4’s of the states call for a convention through state assembly reps NOT CONGRESS, because we have a do nothing congress at the moment and they love their status quo where they get $$$$$ and they spend more then half of their time trying to raise $$$$$ for their next election cycle because its not who has the best principle who wins, 95% of the time its the on who has more $$$$$ wins FACT LOOK IT UP!!!! Our system is broken so why feed in to it?
        Our so-called Republic is a Empire and our Democracy is a Plutocracy!
        Thats the dire situation the youth are left with, yeah its a shame we have these boomers not giving a damn but we just move on to who does, the boomers are not a majority..
        I really believe Wolf-PAC is gonna save our nation, by way of ending corporate person hood through a constitutional amendment, having free and fair elections that are publicly funded. We are not going through DC we are going through the reps who actually listen to their constituents (believe it or not) Mike Gatto introduced AJR-1, it’s a start. we need more people caliing our reps and letting them know we can’t get anything done until we deal with the issue of money in politics! California already has over 2000 volunteers, there is conference calls every wed, so if any of you want to be involved in this grassroots movement (BI-PARTISAN MOVEMENT) all you have to do is give a damn about your country, if not, just know there is groups of dedicated individuals from all walks of life (which is way cool, the UNITY) with the focus on 1 goal!
        http://www.Wolf-PAC.com
        I believe in Democracy!

         
        • Boomers examined August 7, 2013 at 8:22 am #

          J-Frog,

          Insofar as some of the items you’ve just presented, I must respectfully disagree with you.

          Insofar as the Founding Father Worship that is in vogue today for some political groups, please understand those times were vastly different in a myriad of ways than in these fast-changing modern times. Please do not forget that many of those wealthy Founding Fathers thought nothing of owning slaves. There is a real danger in that philosophy and only perpetuates disharmony in the economic realm as well as the sociological realm. Yet some today believe they are amongst the chosen few to lead other underserved Americans calling this a “Democracy.”

          As far as the Post -World II Baby-Boomers go (those born between the years 1946 and 1964), here are some interesting facts:

          Baby boomers are associated with a rejection or redefinition of traditional values; however, many commentators have disputed the extent of that rejection, noting the widespread continuity of values with older and younger generations. In Europe and North America boomers are widely associated with privilege, as many grew up in a time of widespread government subsidies in post-war housing and education, and increasing affluence.

          As a group, they were the wealthiest, most active, and most physically fit generation up to that time, and amongst the first to grow up genuinely expecting the world to improve with time. They were also the generation that received peak levels of income, therefore they could reap the benefits of abundant levels of food, apparel, retirement programs, and sometimes even “midlife crisis” products.

          Seventy-six million American children were born between 1945 and 1964, representing a cohort that is significant on account of its size alone. The age wave theory suggests an economic slowdown when the boomers start retiring during 2007–2009. Projections for the aging U.S. workforce suggest that by 2020, 25% of employees will be at least 55 years old.

          Baby boomers control over 80% of personal financial assets and more than half of all consumer spending. They buy 77% of all prescription drugs, 61% of over-the-counter drugs, and 80% of all leisure travel.

          A survey found that about half of baby boomers polled in the United States have stated that they would rather pass on their inheritance as charity than pass it down to their children.

          Hopefully the above data can be kept in mind when citing info re: Boomers

           
          • J-Frog/JeremiahJoseph August 7, 2013 at 10:22 am #

            Okay, I get that, interesting data. Yeah the founding fathers weren’t perfect but at least they did their best to put freedom and liberty in words.. I’m not sure what you mean by “Yet some today believe they are amongst the chosen few to lead other underserved Americans calling this a “Democracy.””
            Here some of mine to reinforce my http://www.Wolf-PAC.com, do you disagree with this;
            between 2000-2010 it didn’t matter whether you were a republican or democrat, what matter was who raised more money from donors, 93% of the house seats in that 10 yr time period raised more money, in the senate races between that timer period 83% of the one who raised more money won. that is why they spend over half of the time in office raising money for the next election cycle. Is that a problem????? (my source on these numbers opensecrets.org)
            America gets it, thats why over 40% of the nation is now a registered Independent.
            We the People can’t get anything done if we don’t address the wrong incentive structure that runs rampant in our political system.
            And it’s up to us to make it happen, and http://www.Wolf-PAC.com has the best plan, again this is not a liberal, Independent or a conservative fight, It’s a american fight!
            Also this October 10, the supreme court is going to rule on something that is called citizens united 2, they are bringing the 170k cap to the table to try to lift that cap off so donors can give unlimited money to elections and campaigns! Now if you understand the way money in politics is a problem for we the people to have our voice on the table, then you should understand that if they lift that 170k donor cap, then its pretty much game over for the people. It might as well be the United Corporations of America!
            America needs your help. all you have to do is call any representative and ask them if they feel money in politics is a issue, if so will they be able to help get money out? then we mark all reps whether they support or not and if they don’t support getting money out of politics then they will be labeled as corrupt and we will take that to the people when it is time to vote. We have reps on board already, look up Assembly Joint Resolution 1 (mike gatto) introduced.
            We can use your help or anybody else that is willing to sacrifice some of their time…..

             
        • Ken Warner August 7, 2013 at 9:19 am #

          We are a Plutocracy only because the proletariat don’t educate themselves on the issues and fail to participate in the vote. We have about a 50% turnout for national elections. And the vote is usually close to 50-50 which is almost a random distribution.

          Our government could be “fixed” in a decade if people educated themselves on the issues and then simply voted.

          I do support making corporations non-people. The current interpretation of the 14’th Amendment doesn’t make sense to me.

           
          • A simplified definition of Republicans and Democrats August 8, 2013 at 7:59 am #

            @ J-Frog –

            “…some today believe they are amongst the chosen few to lead underserved Americans”

            In an attempt to keep it in its most simple of terms, I think it’s safe to say that our two-party system can accurately be divided into two camps – Republican and Democrat.

            The generally recognized philosophies of these two systems can best be described accordingly:

            Republicans tend to support the wealthy elite and the power inherent in that system … whereas
            Democrats tend to support those concerned with little person, the underserved, the minorities.

            As far as the comment “the founding fathers put freedom and liberty in words..”
            I would once again respectfully call into serious question the founding fathers’ definition of freedom and liberty for all, when the ownership of other human beings (acceptable slavery) was commonplace then and to some political groups, acceptable today – Master/Slave system.

             
          • JeremiahJoe August 8, 2013 at 8:09 am #

            Yeah your right on the education, but with the more money that candidates have it gives them more time to run deceptive adds enough times to where people are convinced to vote for them, and rarely do people learn about candidates and their stances outside of TV and the bias medias..
            It’s a plutocracy because “we the people” are no longer at the table, we are on the menu! and those with big money use the incentive of money to lean legislation, subsidies, and special treatment in their favor… Like the bankers of HSBC who laundered money for the drug cartels, or the bankers of Freddie mac and Morgan Stanley, those individuals didn’t even have charges on them, but yet people like edward snowden who is a whistleblower of what our gov’t is doing to keep tabs on all of us whether they are investigating a specific case or not, which is against the constitution and patriot act.
            Oh yeah I am pleased to announce that I am on the “insider threat” list since I openly speak about unhappiness about “foreign policy” and our “gov’t”, this isn’t the America I believe in..

             

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