Mammoth man arrested on drug charges

– Press release from the Mono County Sheriff’s Office:

The Mono County Narcotics Enforcement Team (MONET), along with the assistance of Mono County Sheriff Deputies and the Mammoth Lakes Fire Department, concluded a warrant investigation in the Town of Mammoth Lakes.

Jacob Pellegrini

Jacob Pellegrini

On the morning of Wednesday, July 10, 2013, Jacob Pellegrini, age 29, of Mammoth Lakes, CA, was arrested for sales and possession for sales, cultivation, and chemical production of concentrated cannabis.

Mr. Pellegrini was operating a full marijuana lab in his place of residence where 98 plants and 5 grams of “wax” (marijuana hash manufactured via butane) were seized. Mr. Pellegrini was taken into custody by Mono County Sheriff Deputies and transported to the Mono County Jail in Bridgeport without incident.

Mr. Pellegrini is currently in custody with charges pending through the Mono County District Attorney’s Office.



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66 Responses to Mammoth man arrested on drug charges

  1. Steve July 11, 2013 at 2:20 pm #

    Now that is a mug shoot.

  2. ferdinand lopez July 11, 2013 at 4:14 pm #

    where do these people come from and what in the hell is coming out of his beard

    • observer July 12, 2013 at 2:14 pm #

      I think it’s either mounthroids or he’s sticking his tongue out. Either way it’s a very intelligent look.

      • Wayne Deja July 14, 2013 at 7:32 pm #

        Observer… I think it’s him sticking his tongue out….probably at all the idiots (including myself) that voted yes on the prop that allowed for “medical marijuana”..and what will eventually allow him to have his charges dropped, walk away from jail, and go back to his pot plantation.

  3. Trouble July 11, 2013 at 4:43 pm #

    Sounds like he is cutting in on the legal pot shops right down the street. Ain”t that America !

  4. Tim July 11, 2013 at 10:01 pm #

    People should be concerned about his making Wax. I’ve seen two building explosions because of that.

    • Mark July 12, 2013 at 10:54 am #

      People should be more concerned with grease fires in their own kitchens. I’ve seen hundreds of homes burned down from that 🙂

    • Trouble July 15, 2013 at 11:45 am #

      What is wax?

      • GreenMammoth July 17, 2013 at 2:46 pm #

        Cannabis Concentrates 101

        When humans learned that the Cannabis plant’s sticky resin glands contain the highest concentrations of active ingredients, the first cannabis concentrate was made and it was called hashish. Most hashish manufacturing techniques remain primative, like sieving through mesh nets or thrashing dried plants and collecting what falls off. Modern innovations using alcohol, chloroform, butane and other solvents to chemically extract cannabinoids are often called hash, but they are not hashish in the traditional sense of the word. These are termed “cannabis concentrates.” Many medical cannabis patients find the cannabis concentrates to be more effective medicine, as smoking or vaporizing lower-potency cannabis can be impractical and ineffective for them.

        Solvent-manufactured cannabis concentrates have been available since the 1960′s as “honey oil,” “red oil,” “jelly-butane hash,” and similar concoctions. Cannabis concentrates are widely available and rapidly gaining popularity amongst medical cannabis patients. Delivering a concentrated dose of active ingredients without combusting or smoking the buds or”flowers” of the plant material is a big plus. The cannabinoid percentage and purity of solvent-extracted products is almost always higher than that of traditional hashish or any other readily available cannabis product on the market. However, many solvent extracted products are contaminated with solvent residues. With many how-to videos on the internet and simple materials purchased at the hardware store many patients are performing their own solvent extractions at home.

        One of the more populpar cannabis concentrates being sold in the collectives and being made at home is Butane Honey Oil or BHO. This waxy concentrated cannabis extract is made by pushing liquid butane through a tube packed with cannabis plant material. Liquid butane quickly dissolves the trichome heads, and extracts the medicinal cannabinoid compounds. A solution of cannabinoids, waxes, and oils dissolved in butane comes out the other end through a filter. The cannabis/butane solution is collected and then evaporated in various ways to dissipate the butane solvent. Post extraction treatments include activated carbon filtration, alcohol washings, vacuum purging, heating and whipping in an attempt to rid the final product of solvent residue to obtain a pure product. Depending on the many variables of preparation and post treatment, BHO takes on many different textures, and therefore BHO goes by many names including the ever popular “WAX”.

        One Wax hit is said to deliver two joints worth of cannabinoids all at once, and it’s less detrimental to the lungs more similar to vaporization. Wax is a bit more of a solid than an oil, it is simply BHO processed further and some prefer its ease of use and stronger potency. BHO in its more liquid forms can be spread on a rolling paper and in it’s more solid forms can be spread over a smoked form of cannabis to increase potency. Smoking “flowers” does not achieve the same relief for many patients, and they often require to smoke hourly whereas one concentrate hit may sustain an individual for many hours. Cannabis concentrates are more potent than any other cannabis product and may help with harm reduction from smoking over time.

        Most concentrate conoseurs and health conscious individuals prefer to inhale the concentrate directly. Cannabis concentrates have created a whole new sub-genre of paraphernalia and terminology amongst cannabis users. A special bong like apparatus or bong attatchment is used and the concentrate vapor is generally filtered through water. One must heat a “nail” (made of glass or titanium) with a “torch” (similar to that used in the kitchen for crème brûlée) and when glowing hot – place a “dab” of concentrate on the “nail” with a “dabber” (metal or glass wand) immediately turning the concentrate to a vapor retained by the “bell” (a glass dome to keep the vapor from escaping) which is simultainiously inhaled. There is a bit of a learning curve, some rules of operation (basic pyrotechnics!) and proper ettiquette is required.

        There are concerns around the cannabis concentrates, however. Firstly, the purity of the concentrate products. Traces of solvents in the final product can cause negative health effects. Effects of inhalation commonly observed with butane are blurred vision and incoherent speech, coughing, nausea and vomiting, and an increase in salivation. With higher exposure people can experience confusion, hallucinations, and aggressive behavioural patterns. Tinnitus, a ringing noise in the ears and a problem with muscle movements are also some of the side effects of butane. Many of these effects are seen with inferior quality butanes that have odor compounds added as butane itself is odorless. Only high quality premium refined butanes should be used to reduce toxicity. Celebrity talk show host Montel Williams has been public about his use of BHO that seemed to make his neurological symptoms worse from butane contamination.

        Second concern is that of testing. There are no industry standards for routine testing of end products. Testing is available. A mass producer selling to the public should be routinely testing their product and labeling it. For the home extractor, testing your methods periodicly to make sure you are producing a clean product is important. There are devices that are available (such as the Tumesium) for solvent extractions that are virtualy a lab set up for home use. These units are apparently very efficient, reclaiming the solvent and filtering for future use, and properly purging the final product of solvent residue leading to a higher quality product. It is also much safer for the user. Butane is highly explosive, heavier than air tending to pool with inadequate ventilation, and is just waiting for a spark. Too many careless or inexperienced individuals have been maimed and killed in the making of BHO.

        Fourth concern is that of legality. California has passed a solvent extraction law prohibiting the production of cannabis concentrates that were made by any chemical solvent, only exception being Water hash because water is not commonly know as a chemical. The penalty carries up to 7 years jail time and up to $50,000 in fines. Narcotics Task Force Commander Carl Sturdy says, “It’s the same punishment as making methamphetamine. There’s no exception for making hashish with butane, you can possess it with your medicinal marijuana recommendation, but you can’t make it.” Sturdy says, “We’re actually seeing more butane Wax labs than we are meth labs right now.”Essentially as a cannabis patient in California it is ok to be in posession of and use BHO, you just can’t get caught producing it. Mr. Montel Williams purchased his BHO from a California dispensary that did not label it as BHO, so as he claims he was unsuspecting.

        Final concerns center around losing sight of the value for the whole cannabis plant as medicine. In talks of producing synthetic cannabinoid pharmaceuticals, concentrated forms of cannabis, and perhaps “rescheduling” these medicines, we do not want to lose the brilliance of the symphony at play in the whole plant. Seeking the most bang for the buck is a product of prohibition, as whiskey is more potent than beer. The failed prohibition of cannabis in this country is driving the market toward stronger concentrates of cannabis like BHO products. Concentration and isolation are not necessarily better as medicines. Tests have found BHO contains 80 to 90% of its cannabinoids as THC. It contains rather small percentages of cannabidiol (CBD) which has promissing medicinal effects and moderates the stimuling effects of THC. BHO is also mostly devoid of terpene compounds (the odor compounds) which have been shown to work together with the cannabinoids for medicinal effects. In shifting the paradigm away from the “smoking of pot” to the use of cannabis as medicine, we do not want to give the opposition to medical cannabis more amunition. BHO truly is more potent and pschoactive, looks like opium (more like a processed drug than a plant), uses a crack torch, and can explode like a meth lab! Proper safety and common sense during production, achieving a quality solvent free end product, and proving it through appropriate testing should be the goal.

        • GreenMammoth July 17, 2013 at 3:18 pm #

          by: Dr Scott D Rose

        • What to do July 18, 2013 at 10:23 am #

          Legalize it.
          Grow it.
          Sell it.
          Tax it.
          Problem solved.

          • Wayne Deja July 18, 2013 at 12:44 pm #

            What to Do….I know of people with a med card that “grow it” and “sell it”…to whoever happens to want it,because of the safety-net of the med card….never asked them,but my bet is they don’t report their profits to the IRS when April 15th rolls around.The only way your theory would work is if weed was able to be bought in quick-stops and stores…..which ain’t NEVER gonna happen.Could you imagine the “dumbing-down” of society if it ever did ?

          • GreenMammoth August 14, 2013 at 12:10 pm #

            “but my bet is they don’t report their profits to the IRS when April 15th rolls around.”

            If someone wants to grow and posses marijuana under their physicians recommendation just to sell on the Black Market there should be a punishment by law in place, but that’s a flaw in the system and a risk people will make because anything that is illegal has a Black Market and there’s money to be made with risk.

            FACT: Growers who do provide a cannabis club like Green Mammoth must fill out a W9, and we 1099 them on the income they received, and come the years end we mail out a W2 like any other employer.

            If we don’t 1099 them then we can’t deduct the cost of goods or (CoG) and if can’t write off the CoG, then all our income would be a profit, and thats not good, California law states any cannabis club must operate as a non-profit.

            With that being said I need to tell you how detrimental federal Tax Code Section 280E is for legitimate medical marijuana providers. Quite possibly the most serious problem for cannabis business, 280E forces state-legal industry operators to pay an effective tax rate two-to-three times higher than essentially all other U.S. businesses.

            The table below shows an example of how 280E negatively impacted the 2012 tax burden of a real medical marijuana dispensary*. This business generated just over $500,000 in gross revenue and because of 280E, paid an effective tax rate of 93% instead of the average 15-35%.

            2012 Accounting – Real Income 2012 Accounting – Under 280E

            Gross Income: $504,533 Gross Income: $504,533

            COGS: $226,874 COGS: $226,874

            Expenses: Expenses: Non-COGS:$172,911 Non-COGS disallowed:$172,911

            Net income (real): $104,748 Net income (under 280E): $277,659

            Tax Due: $36,662 Tax Due:$97,181

  5. Dingo July 12, 2013 at 7:30 am #

    Good grief, 98 plants? Greed will bite you in the butt every time.

    • I've done some growing July 12, 2013 at 10:12 am #

      The pot doc in mammoth writes recommendations to legally grow 99 plants. I would like to know if this 99 plant permit is truely legal?

      Making wax hash isn’t illegal regardless of the danger if the guy had a pot card.

      MONET obviously found evidence of sales.

      If a guy only grows once a year 99 plants isn’t necessarily out of line. If he’s growing 99 plants indoors and getting four crops a year I’d bet he’s selling. it’s pretty hard to grow pot outdoors above 7k due to the early freeze.

      Just another Mammoron. Book em’ Danno.

      • that dude July 13, 2013 at 11:29 am #

        The state ruled plant limits unconstitutional, and making wax is illegal using a solvent extract such as butane. Do some research before sharing your uneducated opinions. Prohibition is such a waste of life, money, and time. Its just pot, people are way more dangerous on alcohol, why don’t they go round up the drunks instead.

        • calling out the dude July 13, 2013 at 1:18 pm #

          Share the source of your claim dude

        • calling out the dude July 13, 2013 at 1:46 pm #

          Looks like the dude might be right however I can go down to Pharmacy on Santa Monica Blvd right now and buy all the ear wax hash I want. Kinda odd how it’s illegal to make but you can buy it at many pot shops.

          Either way, people that sell pot are loosers. There’s no care or compassion when it comes to the almight dollar.

          • Desert Tortoise July 15, 2013 at 11:56 am #

            The end users aren’t any better, but the honest and hard working people are forced to share their communities with this human detritous, both buyer and seller. I shake my head at it all.

          • HadToComment July 19, 2013 at 11:26 pm #

            Yeah people who sell stuff for a profit are losers. Why should anyone make money for selling anything? Where’s the compassion.

  6. Mark July 12, 2013 at 8:12 am #

    100% guilty of worse mug shot this year 😉

  7. Small Town Girl July 12, 2013 at 12:22 pm #

    Jacob, You have a magnificent beard, Sir.

  8. ferdinand lopez July 12, 2013 at 1:28 pm #

    99 plants is a friggin harvest,youd have to be the incredible hulk marley to need that much weed,put down the bong and pick up a granola bar

    • Wayne Deja July 13, 2013 at 3:44 pm #

      Ferdinand……This is just a guess,but I’ll bet,with 99 plants,he just could be selling, just like 99 % of those that have those do.THAT is what that prop vote has allowed…..a way for some to grow dope,sell dope,not work,and not pay taxes….but guess as long as the people of the state of California were dumb enough to vote and allow it,and naive enough to believe all that hocky-pop about medicinal use and “helping” those in pain,if you can get away with growing and selling,more power to ya…..but if you get caught,don’t whine and complain about your “legal rights” being violated.

      • J-Frog July 15, 2013 at 12:55 pm #

        Well Wayne, you say “as long as people are dumb enough to vote and allow it”. Beyond anybody’s personal agenda or bias’s, cannabis/THC does help the sickly ill, a lot better then some of the synthetic pharmaceuticals that help a little and give you more side effects and hence have to take more pills because of the effects of the other pills, of course pharmacy’s and pharmaceuticals labs and industry’s love extra side effects..
        And to see the sickly have to go to grave lengths and get ripped off from the street dealers because the status quo conditions some of you to think marijuana is a drug that should be classified with all the other drugs we have today and therefor some of you feel it is a drug and should never be legal. If you don’t believe in logic you will believe anything!
        Here is some cut and paste for you;

        Prohibition creates, sustains and handsomely rewards the illegal drug industry while pretending to fight that very same industry. Like the classic mafia protection racket, our government creates a perpetual problem and then charges us exorbitantly to “protect” us from it.

        This abomination continues unabated because our government is addicted to the taxpayer billions it wastes year after year after year pretending to fight an enemy created and sustained by prohibition itself.

        Despite 40 years and $1 trillion-plus of taxpayer money spent trying to stop – not robbery, not rape, not murder, not even shoplifting – but mostly trying to stop adults from using marijuana; despite draconian punishments; despite jailing millions of nonviolent Americans; despite thousands of prohibition-related murders each year, illegal drugs are cheaper, purer and more readily available than ever.

        Hemp benefits are denied. Hemp can be made into paper, paneling, plastics, clothing and thousands of other useful products. The highly nutritious seeds can be used to make flour, cooking oil and cattle feed.
        This environmentally friendly plant grows without herbicides, nourishes the soil, matures quickly and provides high yields. It’s the number-one biomass producer in the world – ten tons per acre in four months. It could be an excellent fuel-producing crop.
        Hemp, “nature’s perfect plant,” could bring a bonanza to hurting American farmers while greatly reducing America’s dependence on fossil fuels, which could significantly mitigate climate change.


        • Wayne Deja July 15, 2013 at 3:41 pm #

          J Frog…I probably should have stated it different…..When I voted “yes” on the prop back a few years ago,I figured it was a good thing to help those with serious medical issues that people claimed marijuana made it easier to deal with for them…what it was meant for.But who knew those with the “serious medical issues” would include everything from sore knuckles to ingrown toenails? One person I knew got a med card claiming marijuana helped his asthma….another stating it helped him with anger issues.Another,headaches he laughed about not even having.And,in most cases,it’s not the “problems” of having to buy off the streets,it’s more seen by some as a legal way to grow and sell to anyone that wants to buy….and thinking if your driving and in possession and high as a kite,Law Enforcement will see the med card and choose not to deal with it. And I’ve known of people with med cards that either don’t grow or are waiting on harvest, that do buy from the pot shops,and then turn it and sell it making a HUGE profit,knowing if someone is out and wants to buy,price is of little importance to them,and easier for them than to drive 100+ miles to a pot store…kinda using the “buy local” theory I guess…This story proves my point….wouldn’t be too suprising if this guy with the beard HAS a med card….obvious he’s(allegedly) selling,but with that med card,and a pot doctor to back him up, and some defense lawyer,a good chance he’ll be walking with no charges or prosecution…..

          • J-Frog July 16, 2013 at 9:02 am #

            Yeah it has become far from the intended patient. And a bigtime LOL to the “sore knuckles” and “ingrown toenail” reference 🙂
            I have heard it from the some individuals (with the minor reasons of medicinal need) that have a pot card that they vote no on the legalize theme since it would cut into their clientele sells and profits. So yeah it is definitely flawed but the fact OUR government acts like it serving US by combating something that is so harmless with so much hidden benefits, it makes me sick.
            And then we look at the stats of race who gets arrested and prosecuted, its a unfair imbalance of minority’s when we all know every race uses drugs pretty much the same per capita, it’s like a small form of jim crow laws if you can convict minority’s of felony drug charges you keep them from voting. I have mentioned it before the first drug law was against opium, but when the gov’t found out middle age white woman where the main user’s of opium they changed the law to “smoking opium” which targeted the Chinese railroad worker which was the initial target anyway. Drug laws have always been racist…
            Look at the regions that legalized and the rates that went down, For example Portugal, there’s over ten years of stats since they have changed their approach.
            Our Environment, or Republic/Democracy, and I feel our very own existence is counting on us to do something about integrating more sustainable practices into our daily lives.

          • HadToComment July 20, 2013 at 12:05 am #

            Where do you get this
            >and thinking if your driving and in possession and high as a kite,Law Enforcement will see the med card and choose not to deal with it.
            I’m sure any of the local law enforcement would disagree with you. They will arrest you if your high on anything while driving. There are examples right on this site of people being arrested that had a medical card while driving. Some of them may not want to hassle someone who simply has some in his possession. Maybe because that’s the law. But they will NOT let someone high as a kite continue driving just because they have a medical card. That’s a DUI/DWI and the med. card is not a get out of jail free card.
            And it does help people with serious med problems. Don’t let your perceptions of how it’s being abused overshadow the people it has and continues to help with medical problems. I only wish it had passed earlier so it could have helped one of my family members who lost a lengthy and painful battle with cancer. He couldn’t afford Marinol and didn’t want any legal problems. I hope you never have to watch someone suffer like that just because they can’t afford a perscription, while they are dieing.

  9. KK July 12, 2013 at 9:37 pm #

    What is up with his mug shot!!!!

    • Dingo July 13, 2013 at 12:57 pm #

      A face only a mother could love.

  10. Big Rick OBrien July 13, 2013 at 1:30 am #

    I gotta go…Duck Nation is on…

    • Big AL July 13, 2013 at 11:17 pm #

      Happy … Happy … Happy

  11. J-Frizzle July 13, 2013 at 4:11 pm #

    Cannabis? Gee whiz law enforcement cut your losses already and go after the more dangerous substances that you are also losing so greatly at. False sense of accomplishment!

  12. anonymous July 15, 2013 at 10:56 am #

    legalize marijuana? that’s what you all want right? sounds like a plan, we should allow for all of the marijuana users to drive our kids school buses, be our kids teachers, and work in the health field. its so legit and legal right?

    • J-Frog July 15, 2013 at 2:47 pm #

      anonymous that is not what everybody wants, why do you say we should allow for all marijuana users to drive our kids school buses, etc.? Enough with your status quo fear mongering, we would still hold up those jobs to the same standards for those fields currently have, at least I would think?
      so you must be pro alcohol? or pro tobacco? or even pro marijuana? I say that because to say it shouldn’t be legalized you support the system where the drug war efforts are doing the exact opposite of what the efforts claim to be completing.
      You say it should be illegal well in the last 40 years it has not diminished, it has become more accessible, more potent and people are more likely to use drugs today then when the drug war started!
      A complete and utter failure! and you still support that? not even try new approaches?
      Don’t be so scared for your own self preservation..

    • Trouble July 15, 2013 at 7:01 pm #

      Ya Anonymous- but It’s o.k. to close the bar every night.

    • tiff July 23, 2013 at 12:51 pm #

      Um…not sure if you got the memo, but alcohol is legal, and you can’t drive a school bus while intoxicated. There are still rules, even though it’s legal. Your point, sir, is moot. Moot, I say.

  13. Progress Hornsby July 15, 2013 at 2:33 pm #

    It’s interesting how one can instantly tell those who have smoked the weed and those who never have.
    All things considered, I think it would be no problem to follow the states that have already legalized the weed.

    Legalize the demon weed
    Tax the hell out of it

    A win-win for everybody

    • Desert Tortoise July 16, 2013 at 12:31 pm #

      And too darn bad for the honest people who don’t wish to be forced to have to put up with the human detritous who use drugs. Yep, lowest common denominator, no standards, no self respect, no self restraint, do whatever you want to do. What a bunch of miserable losers.

      • J-Frog July 16, 2013 at 2:36 pm #

        The honest people already have to put up with it? Why can’t we bypass these feelings of getting rid of the people who use drugs off the face of the planet (throwing them in jail) when we know that rarely works for anybody, being thrown in jail usually has adverse effects. If we were to look at the addiction problems has a human health issue rather then a crime we might have better results..
        We have a serious problem and this fear of legalizing anything will turn everybody into users is foolish! I mean it’s not laws and regulations that make honest good people! For the record I’m not for legalizing the serious stuff that has no other benefit other then decaying the human body faster.
        Oh yeah a lot of honest people use Opium. Oh right the that’s from the Gov’t so it must be good or right, Right?
        The last thing anybody should be doing today is taking blind dedication to the statements of supposed authority!

        • J-Frog July 16, 2013 at 2:54 pm #

          Yeah I should proofread before I submit, But back to my radical point’s, something is really wrong when it looks like having to house criminals is more important to OUR Gov’t then housing our elderly or housing our kids education? I mean what the heck?
          Not to mention we have 25% of the worlds prisoners but yet only have 5% of the worlds population???? Can any of you kind people explain or defend that??

        • Tourbillon July 17, 2013 at 7:05 am #

          “The last thing anybody should be doing today is taking blind dedication to the statements of supposed authority!”

          Uniquely put, but quite right, J-Frog. Remember it next time you post on global warming.

          • J-Frog July 18, 2013 at 12:16 pm #

            Okay Tourbillon, Global Warming or Climate Change? But okay you have a point. When I comment on something like climate change and have experts to support how I feel about the outcome of our daily lives,I jump all over it, I’m no expert and my views are still forming to this day. I know we can’t keep up this rate of cyclical consumption and this status quo of how we get our energy to fuel this “entitled” convenient life. The wasting of resources and the adverse effects some things are having on social aspects is something I well probably forevermore reinforce with credible info..

          • Big AL July 21, 2013 at 1:32 pm #

            Yes Tourbillon I agree … Jerry has some good points, yeah a lil radical .. but then that is what it takes sometimes to counter the bullshit of “Supposed authority” and yeah … next time we get into the global warming thing .. some lessons can be learned.

          • Big AL July 21, 2013 at 1:34 pm #

            Jerry focus that passion brother in a direct winning way.

        • Desert Tortoise July 17, 2013 at 3:31 pm #

          Dance around it all you want but you still haven’t answered my question? Why should I lead an honest and disciplined life and be forced to live among drug abusing dregs? Why should I have to have my life and that of the community I live in degraded by drug abusers? Why shouldn’t I expect people to live their life without such addictions and all the misery they cause, not just themselves, but their families, their employers and to their communities? Why should I turn a blind eye to this and allow my life to be degraded by the bad habits of others? Answer the question directly.

          • Civility uber alles July 18, 2013 at 10:20 am #

            ANSWER ME!
            ANSWER ME NOW!
            DO AS I SAY!

            You are too funny, Desert Tortoise.

            : >

          • J-Frog July 18, 2013 at 12:08 pm #

            All due respect Desert Tortoise, I will directly answer your question, I could care less how vulnerable my answer may be, It’s my honest opinion!
            Why should you care when your doing all you can to support your very own existence and you worry about decisions others make whether they effect you or not, You can’t do anything about others decisions so why let it dictate your life so much?
            “Why should I lead an honest and disciplined life and be forced to live among drug abusing dregs? Why should I have to have my life and that of the community I live in degraded by drug abusers?” I say to those first world problems is why should kids over seas have to suffer only because of a circumstance and NO decision they made put them there, why do they deserve less of a chance that we take for granted?
            You know what DT I think your questions are self centered and they only mean something to YOU! Why do we live in a nation that spends 40K on each prisoner a year but only 8K per kid’s education? it’s obvious you support that if you support the protocol that leads to that outcome..
            You said it, why do you turn a blind eye? If you really care about this issue you would be doing something it about rather then complaining about it in ways its only relevant to you.
            I hate to assume but it sounds like you have had a pampered life.. to look at people in such manners and think they have the same perception, background and social acceptance as you do.
            So now I have a question, why do you look at drug user’s like they are not people? like they are not somebody’s child? why do you care more about yourself when your probably fine and gonna be fine for the rest of your life, and here your talking about people that have obvious problems, and you act like that couldn’t be you or a relative or somebody you care about??

          • dean July 18, 2013 at 1:38 pm #

            >Dance around it all you want but you still haven’t answered my question?

            This is not a queston.

            >Why should I lead an honest and disciplined life and be forced to live among drug abusing dregs?

            You can’t make an argument against legalizing marijuana that is based in science and supported by economics, therefore you should not be entitled to imaginary benefits.

            > Why should I have to have my life and that of the community I live in degraded by drug abusers?

            Many of your neighbors are drug abusers. Humans – by nature – are drug abusers. I bet you’re even great friends with some drug abusers and you don’t even realize it. Substance abuse is ubiquitous.

            > Why shouldn’t I expect people to live their life without such addictions and all the misery they cause, not just themselves, but their families, their employers and to their communities?

            You’re welcome to expect whatever you want. That does not mean you’re entitled to it. I expect the entire world to work soley for my benefit. The entire world doesn’t care. What makes your opinion and expectations so special?

            >Why should I turn a blind eye to this and allow my life to be degraded by the bad habits of others?

            Pay attention to the world around you. Realize you’re growing old. Your jaded world view is strongly influenced by anti-drug propaganda. You’ve lived through 30 years of the failed “War on Drugs,” where we’ve exported death on an industrial scale to third world countries to our south while importing record levels of drugs.

            Here are questions for you: What is your economic and moral rationalle for continuing the status quo? Are you willing to personally forgo your social safety net benefits – social security, medicare, etc – in order to pay for the record level (and growing) number of people we are incarcerating? How many dead Salvadorians, Quatemalans, or Columbians is equal to one dead American?

            You get the idea. Go back to your cave.

          • J-Frog July 19, 2013 at 9:50 am #

            I love it dean! Awesome counter!

          • Big AL July 21, 2013 at 1:38 pm #

            No DT .. you don’t turn a blind eye .. we need to make a difference against the abuse the junk we see around us … but you can’t also look without compassion.

            Without compassion, how do we change things .. yeah we can hammer down and condemn them all, but if we do not have compassion for the persons who have lost themselves in it, we will never be able to change it, only further it through misery.

        • HadToComment July 20, 2013 at 12:38 am #

          I agree. There are millions of honest, hard working people who smoke it regularly. What does putting them in jail solve? We tried locking them all up but we just can’t. There are more than 3/4 of a million people arrested every year for possessing a plant. This hasn’t curbed it’s use but it ruins the lives of people who otherwise lived honest, productive lives previously. Though, from others comments, some people don’t care about them because to you they are just “dregs”. What about the millions of tax payer dollars that are spent on housing them in the privatized prison system. Does anyone believe they are actually “reformed” and will come out and live a more productive life now that they have a criminal record. Can’t we learn anything from alcohol prohibition? The biggest proponents for keeping it illegal are those whose funding and profits come from the investigations and arrests of these people. Mainly, some law enforcement and specifically the DEA and the prison lobby. Not to mention we are funding organized crime. Another lesson we should have learned from alcohol prohibition. Why are we even debating if someone should be allowed to grow and consume a plant? If you want to make a plant illegal, why don’t we eradicate poison oak?

          • Ken Warner July 20, 2013 at 10:18 am #

            I agree with you. And you’ve clearly described the results of an apathetic, uninformed electorate.

            Real change has to start with the people and they are too busy watching “Reality TV”.

          • Bung July 21, 2013 at 8:35 am #

            Psilocybin, Mescaline, Opium and Cocaine all come from plants; does that make them OK?

          • Big AL July 21, 2013 at 1:45 pm #

            HeHe good point HadToComment … The system is all about imprisonment .. atonement for sins, it has nothing to do anymore with what is right or wrong. It shows in how it all works now.

            But of course, they say … justice is blind, and there are no gray areas.

            “Stuck in a generation where:

            Loyalty is just a word.

            Patriotism is a crime.

            Lying is now the truth.

            And integrity is a thing of the past.”

        • Big AL July 21, 2013 at 1:28 pm #

          You got it Jerry … fear

      • Ken Warner July 16, 2013 at 2:54 pm #

        Right on DT — I’m with you 100% All drugs should be banned — TV, cell phones, cigarettes, alcohol, money, fast cars, consumerism, religion of all kinds and most of all, willful ignorance.

        • Tourbillon July 17, 2013 at 7:07 am #

          Have it your way Ken, and most of all, we’re going to miss you.

        • J-Frog July 17, 2013 at 7:53 am #

          So you can’t explain or defend the true stats of a terrible situation getting worse, but yet continue to support the policy’s and protocol that leave us with terrible outcomes??
          Your idea of America sounds like North Korea Ken!

        • Beyond the customary scope July 17, 2013 at 9:30 am #

          I like the way you think, Ken Warner. But prepare yourself for the usual “thumbs-down” nonsense for presenting facts beyond their normal scope. : )

          The angriest and most numbed-out in our society today don’t like alternate points of view and prefer instead to demonize and criticize things they willfully don’t want to understand.

        • Big AL July 21, 2013 at 1:46 pm #

          Sarcasm eh?

      • Big AL July 21, 2013 at 1:23 pm #

        Good thing you have a soap box to stand up there on DT and pass judgement on the low life with no compassion. I wonder who is the real loser?

  14. Wayne Deja July 20, 2013 at 10:25 am #

    Hey,”Had To Comment”……If you read my post “before” you comment,you’d see I said some “THINK” if you had a med card,it’s a get-out-of-jail-free pass…NOT saying Law Enforcement will give it to you….That IS how a lot of cronic pot -heads think,and how some post here whenever someone is arrested for possession or driving under the influence….”if” you have a med card,you can “legally” drive stoned if you have a med card….or can legally go to a job high and an employer can’t do anything about it… can walk down the street smoking a joint time,someone even stated if you have a med card,you can actually smoke a joint in an establishment that doesn’t allow smoking cigarettes !!…saying the “law allows” one to take their “medicine” no matter where they do it.I KNOW LE doesn’t allow people to drive while stoned….at my job,an EX-employee thought he could,found out he couldn’t the hard way (a DUI),lost his job because of it,and then talked of suing the County for arresting him….and then suing my employer for fireing him…..

    • Big AL July 21, 2013 at 1:51 pm #

      Yeah a lot of misconceptions and crappy advise from people out there Wayne. A med card only allows you to possess it in the amount as prescribed. Everything else still applies, it’s still under the influence … behind the wheel .. etc … unless you’re in your house and not doing anything to attract the attention of cops.

      • Wayne Deja July 22, 2013 at 4:24 pm #

        Big Al……Don’t know which one of the “misconceptions” I got a kick out of more….The ex-employee at my job thinking my boss couldn’t do nothing about him getting high before going to work,during work,and then thinking he couldn’t get a DUI while driving stoned after work,and then losing his job for doing it……or the person that posted that the Law allows anyone with a med. card to take his “medicine” in dwellings that doesn’t allow smoking cigarettes… taverns,restaurants,markets, schools,etc.If my memory serves me right,I remember them stating “it’s no different than if you decide to take a tylonal or aspirin if you happen to have a headache.”…Thing is,these “misconceptions” and the people saying them,it’s just ANOTHER way for them to push the buttons because of their “medical conditions”,and thinking it’s their “right” to do as they please with that pot prescription in their wallet…but what it does is give a bad name to those that have serious illnesses’ that actually benefit from marijuana….and what passing that prop was all about.

  15. Bung July 20, 2013 at 7:29 pm #

    Ooooh that smell
    Can’t you smell that smell


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