MLPD brings on two more reserve officers


Police Chief Dan Watson with new Reserve Officers Ingrid and Mike Braun

Police Chief Dan Watson with new Reserve Officers Ingrid and Mike Braun


On Tuesday, November 12, the Mammoth Lakes Police Department swore in two Level One Reserve Police Officers.  Mike and Ingrid Braun, both retired from the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD), bring the number of MLPD Reserves to four.  Ingrid retired as a Lieutenant after 21 years of service, and Mike retired as a Senior Lead Officer with 26 years of law enforcement experience.

Level One Reserve Officers are able to work unsupervised after completing field training.  In addition to working patrol shifts and special events, Ingrid will assist with follow-up investigations and Mike will help coordinate a Neighborhood Watch Program.

The Brauns join Level One Reserves Karen Smart and Dick Worcester.  Chief Dan Watson said, “One year ago we didn’t have any Reserve Officers.  These four will help us get through what we hope will be a busy winter season.  All of our Reserves are retired law enforcement officers and they bring a wealth of experience to the MLPD


64 Responses to MLPD brings on two more reserve officers

  1. Trouble November 12, 2013 at 7:42 pm #

    Sounds like the skateboard park will be well patrolled.

  2. Sean November 12, 2013 at 9:12 pm #

    Trouble – your new name is Adam Henry.

    • Benett Kessler November 12, 2013 at 11:22 pm #

      You have a point, Sean. Clean it up, Trouble.

      • Ken Warner November 13, 2013 at 9:34 am #

        …no sense of humor.

    • Trouble November 13, 2013 at 8:10 am #

      Sean is your name rent a cop?

      • Trouble November 13, 2013 at 8:11 am #

        How’s that for cleaning it up?

        • sean November 13, 2013 at 1:12 pm #

          Hey Adam Henry… I don’t get your rent a cop attempt at a joke.

          Are you in a better mood today ? did you get enough sleepy time last night ?

          • Trouble November 13, 2013 at 4:24 pm #

            Sean- thanks for caring. I was just assuming you were in law enforcement since they use that Adam Henry crap.. I guess your just sensitive.

          • sean November 13, 2013 at 9:32 pm #

            I’m not sensitive at all. But I will put an out-of-line crap talker in his place as needed. I won’t allow you to run amuck talking inaccurate smack. When I think of you I imagine a grumpy, lonely old man yelling “Get Off My Lawn!” as kids walking home from school step 2 inches onto his grass. Trouble – why don’t you go have a nice glass of wine (or whatever) and chill out for the day. I am putting you in cyber time-out.

          • Benett Kessler November 14, 2013 at 9:11 am #

            If you are not sensitive at all, why are you angry?

          • Mark November 14, 2013 at 11:02 am #

            “But I will put an out-of-line crap talker in his place as needed.”

            I always consider the source and you sir seem to be the pot calling the kettle black.

          • sean November 14, 2013 at 2:03 pm #

            Are you psychic Benett? How do you know I am angry? Please explain how you know what emotional state I happen to be in.

            Could I be passionate? Could I be annoyed with certain posters?

            Please explain how you know my exact emotion?

          • Benett Kessler November 14, 2013 at 2:34 pm #

            This post flies in the face of your claim – “I am not sensitive at all.” No psychic talent needed.

      • Mark November 13, 2013 at 2:46 pm #

        George Zimmerman with a badge. There’s nothing wrong with being a rent a cop. Especially if you get to carry a gun 🙂

        • Wayne Deja November 13, 2013 at 5:48 pm #

          Mark….PLEASE don’t compare George Zimmerman with ANYTHING to do with Law Enforcement…Unless I’m mistaken,a reserve POLICE OFFICER is there to help enforce the law…and being paid to do so….George Zimmerman ,and his type, are un-paid “wanna-be authorities” claiming to be neighborhood watch “officers ” or “captains”,and usually carrying some type of vendetta against those that they feel is about to break the law…and,as in Zimmerman’s case,a racist that thinks because of his neighborhood “title”, he can spin and twist a situation into getting away with murder….which he was able to do in Florida.

  3. Big Rick OBrien November 13, 2013 at 1:49 am #

    Just in time for the “busy season” in the village. A few more and the whole department can breathe a little easier.

  4. sean November 13, 2013 at 6:10 pm #

    Besides the ongoing dialog with the Adam Henrys who need to be banned from this site let me say this –

    Thank you Mike and Ingrid Braun for being Reserve Officers. I will make a stand and say thanks for doing what you do. I think it is lost on most people that you are retired and you don’t need to be doing this. You don’t have to risk your lives anymore. You have already had outstanding, successful careers but you will rise to the occasion and take up the cause again when your community is in need. Thats what I call “good people” and I am happy they live here.

    • Pity the far-right November 14, 2013 at 9:35 am #

      Ban the Adam Henrys from this site?
      Let them expose themselves for the angst-ridden poor souls that they are.
      What would you expect from a group of people who spend their waking hours glued to the radio rants of their “heroes” Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity … ?
      These unfortunates are walking time bombs. They have not noticed how their parent group (the Republican Party per se) is trying desperately to distance itself from their facist/racist ways. Have pity on them.

      • Tony Cumia November 14, 2013 at 12:32 pm #

        Wasn’t it the Dems that championed a guy who once was a grand wizard of the KKK up until he died a few years ago? Just asking.

      • America November 14, 2013 at 12:34 pm #

        Have you seen the news lately about the implosion of the Unaffordable Care Act. I see the Dems are running for cover and distancing themselves from President Obama who knowingly lied to all Americans. The Democrats are rapidly losing the trust of the American People.

        Bennett, have you thought about writing an article on how the Affordable Care Act is hurting the people and businesses in the Eastern Sierra. In just insuring my family the cost of Individual Insurance Plans will increase 85% January 1st. That’s over $800 a month for a family of 3.

        • Benett Kessler November 14, 2013 at 12:39 pm #

          If Congress had allowed Medicare for all this would not be happening. I’m interested in what the people need, not the political parties.

          • America November 14, 2013 at 2:00 pm #

            The people don’t need Obamacare, The smart Americans knew it was bad from the beginning and now most Americans are finally seeing the light. I just can’t see how people except for Dr. Facts can actually trust what this Administration says. they lost on Gun Control, Lost on Amnesty and are Losing to their own Obamacare.

          • Sad reality November 14, 2013 at 5:24 pm #

            Today’s sad, sad reality of what exists in America –

            “To hell with the poor. Let them pull themselves out of the ghettos by their own damn bootstraps!”

            And this is what is trying to pass for True Americans.

          • Ken Warner November 14, 2013 at 5:25 pm #

            To the person who thinks he speaks for America. Those are the same discredited arguments the health insurance industry trolls have been using since Obama brought the issue of reforming health insurance in America. They are factually wrong and have been shown to be wrong over and over again and you still think they are true. That’s appalling.

            The U.S. spends more per capita on health insurance than any other developed nation and we rank about last in the quality of health care. And you think that’s good and no reform is needed.

            Have you ever had a health insurance company laugh at you because you needed health insurance? I have. It cost me most of my savings to get treated. I met people who lost their homes — lost everything. And you think that’s smart.

            You are so completely uninformed that there is no hope except to hope that you never really need to use your health insurance.

          • Desert Tortoise November 14, 2013 at 9:16 pm #

            The number one reason for personal bankruptcy in the US is unpaid medical bills. A study conducted this year by Harvard identified 62% of personal bankruptcies were due to the cost of medical bills, and of those filing for bankruptcy due to medical bills, 78% had health insurance.

        • Ken Warner November 14, 2013 at 2:34 pm #

          You have the nerve to call yourself America? Then post TeaBag Hysterical lies? You simply don’t know what you are talking about.

          The ACA is not imploding. The Federal Exchange website didn’t work well at launch. Has that ever happened to any other website? Of course it has. It will be fixed. One of the problems is that 36 Republican run states have refused to implement a state exchange pushing the burden on to the Federal Exchange.

          Second, the candled health insurance policies were cancelled by our ever so benevolent health insurance industry. Who are the main reason that the ACA had to be written.

          Yes, it’s a complex bill with unforeseen side effects. That’s the way big things are done.

          President Obama announced Thursday that his administration will let health insurers extend existing health plans on the individual and small-group markets into 2014. The administrative policy change will let insurers reach out to the millions of Americans being dropped from their plans so that they can renew their insurance for another year while the market adjusts to new Obamacare regulations.

          “I completely get how upsetting this could be for a lot of Americans, particularly after assurances they heard from me,” Mr. Obama said from the White House briefing room. “To those Americans, I hear you loud and clear.”

        • sugar magnolia November 15, 2013 at 8:57 am #

          There’s no implosion. The one website had issues, that’s for sure. It’s a massive undertaking to do a webbased service for the entire country. Yes, they should’ve anticipated it wouldn’t go smoothly. I’m not sure who developed the site, but my experience with contractors that competitively bid something like that are never as good as you hope they are.

          I have a son who needs to get health ins, he got on the website right away (california’s website and many other states are working just fine) and checked it out. Based on what he learned, he is now looking at options, such as talking his boss into getting a group plan going that the employees can pay for. I would NEVER sign up for something like this the first day or even probably the first month and I’m proud of my son for being prudent also.

          The Democrats need to grow some balls and say ‘hey, people are thrilled to be able to get insurance. At no time, did we expect people to make a decision or commit the first time they checked out their options.’

          Maybe more people in Bishop have employer paid health benefits, but in Mammoth I know tons of people who have not been able to get insurance in the past, or were unable to afford it. People want this to work!

        • sugar magnolia November 15, 2013 at 9:04 am #

          Oh, and I call BS on your cost data. If over $800 for insurance now is a 85% increase in the premium, you were only paying $450 or so for your premiums in the before condition.

          Who can insure a family a three for $450???? The only way would be if it was a major medical type, ie. it doesn’t kick in till you spend over $5000 or so. To spend $5000 a year in premiums for a plan that doesn’t kick in till over $5000 paid out doesn’t make any sense. That means you’re betting on incurring well over $10K a year every year on medical expenses.

          Please confirm you are comparing apples to apples.

          • America November 15, 2013 at 11:09 am #

            I insure have insured my family (wife and kids) on the Private Market for some time and only have a 4k ded. and 8k per family with 0% copay after the ded. and yes premium is around 4k currently with Blue Shield. With the new 2014 unimproved Obama Compliant plans premium Is going up 85% for a plan with a comparable deductible. I am now paying for coverage my family doesn’t need or want. The old plan was far more superior than the new Obama Approved Plans that the Private Market was forced to make. Yes I do compare apples to apples. I have only posted facts that have applied to me. So regardless of Obama saying over 29 times in his well documented speaches that IF YOU LIKE YOU CURRENT HEALTH PLAN AND DR. YOU GET TO KEEP YOUR PLAN. PERIOD,. have not been proven to be another one of his lies to the American People.

          • Benett Kessler November 15, 2013 at 11:49 am #

            The issue here is not politics. Bashing Obama won’t take care of people. The Republicans have offered no plan except letting people go to the emergency room. So, we get your political complaint. Totally agreed that what exists now is far from perfect, but not so far as no insurance and care at all. Instead of griping, take a look at our national health care policy. We give less care and spend more money than most developed nations. Politically, we have so far refused to accept that this is a world in which we take care of each other. The doctors of Mammoth Medical Missions know that. Maybe you should spend some quiet time and really think about what is important. As a nation, we need to pull together to find ways to take care of each other instead of bashing one another for purposes of political power and ego. And, hey, don’t forgot the legislators who are well-paid by the insurance industry that does not want universal health care.
            Benett Kessler

      • Trouble November 14, 2013 at 1:42 pm #

        Wow dude, I’m really a fun loving laid back liberal in my mind. I just never cared much for petty rules. I laugh when I hear Limbaugh whinny thoughts.

        • 2 kinds of Americans November 15, 2013 at 6:16 am #

          There are two kinds of Americans today.
          The liberal-minded and those that wish they were.

      • erik simpson November 14, 2013 at 3:55 pm #

        The August and Ancient Society of Jerks is open to all. It does not discriminate on the basis of race, religion, age, sexual orientation, or especially political affiliation. All political parties are welcome and well represented.

  5. sean November 13, 2013 at 6:14 pm #

    I have one more thing for all you Adam Henry smack talkers out there in Cyber-Coward land. Watch the below video and then please enlighten us with your worldly wisdom.

    • Trouble November 13, 2013 at 9:16 pm #

      Sean- that is the most arrogant and conceded video I have seen in a long time. Why should I be banned from this sight? You clearly used police lingo to call me a-hole to start your crusade here.

      If you can’t handle the fact that I have every right to say what I want here, maybe you ought to worry about what you can do to shade some of those images that the Mammoth Police have placed on themselves over the last several years. Free speech is a bitch .

      • Wayne Deja November 14, 2013 at 2:58 pm #

        Trouble….Thing is,most LE Officers are good people and do their job well….but there are exceptions that choose this line of work to think they are legal “bullies” to the “regular citizens”…In Oregon,where the State Police are REALLY tough,I was once pulled over,and after showing a concealed-weapon permit,the officer thought I had stolen this from another citizen that had one,even though my photo was on the permit….within minutes,I was surrounded by 6 or 7 patrol cars,spot-lights shining into the cab of my truck, with one officer having a pistol drawn on me….they ended up “letting me go”,but took the permit….two days later,I got it back in the mail with no explanation. …another time,I was pulled over for allegedly “weaving” on the road…and the officer claimed he smelt marijuana in my truck,which wasn’t true…..then,accused me of being high on meth….again,not true….went through all the sobriety tests,passed them,then he stated that “I might as well tell him where the drugs are,because he plans to search my truck and “promised” he would find them…..which scared the crap out of me,even though I had no drugs…if you know what I mean..I told him he could look if he wanted….a couple minutes later,he let me go….no search….no citation….nothing….I felt like I had been used as some type of “training exercise” for this officer….whom I understand is no longer in the field of Law Enforcement…Sadly,I think some people have maybe had an instance like I mentioned here,and look at all LE officers as “bullies”….which isn’t true….the ones I know here in the Owens Valley are good people,and intresting to talk with….I didn’t let the bad 1 % ruin my view of the 99 % of the good ones….for those that think LE are tough in the Bridgeport-Lee Vining area,go take a trip on I-5 up in Oregon….with California plates on your car…and long hair…and see what it’s like…..

        • Trouble November 14, 2013 at 7:16 pm #

          Wayne- I actually have supported the Mammoth Police Volunteer Program and have several friends that are in law enforcement. I just don’t think I have to kiss their behinds and quite honestly like talking crap to and about them. Sean just pissed me off.

          • Benett Kessler November 14, 2013 at 7:51 pm #

            Enough with the “pissed off” dialogue. As Philip Anaya said, why not talk about those contributing and how we can help.

    • Total Richard November 13, 2013 at 9:31 pm #

      Sean, I prefer you adress me as Alpha Hilo.

    • JeremiahJoseph November 14, 2013 at 8:35 am #

      Well said Paul Harvey!
      Yes cops, firefighters, teachers and some definitely deserve a raise, NOT the investment bankers, corporate CEO’s or Lobbyists, but thats the world we live in sean, and when “we the people” stand up and in protest the cops are forced through systematic norms to beat down the people and indirectly beating down their own best interest.
      Yes cops deserve the utmost respect, but so do the PEOPLE! With all these new precedents of limiting civil liberties in the name of security is getting out of hand. Cops aren’t the only ones who do what they can to help the world around them. And if you can’t see the Police State we live in, than you probably should be more receptive to the other side of the argument more, rather then push them away to other sites.
      “smack talkers out there in cyber coward land” LOL.

      • Desert Tortoise November 14, 2013 at 9:24 am #

        Police pay varies a great deal by locality. The Chief of Police in Ridgecrest is paid less than a patrol officer in the CHP. Chippies get paid 8 hours to patrol, 15 minutes of overtime pay at the beginning and again at the end of each shift to get dressed and an additional half hour of overtime to take lunch. Tell me another job that pays you to get dressed or each lunch, must less pays you overtime for these activities. A Chippie is paid about three times what I am paid to do a job that requires significant coursework in calculus, differential equations, statistics and the physical sciences.

        Meanwhile patrol officers in lightly populated counties are paid a fraction of what some big city cops and CHP are paid.

    • John Barton November 14, 2013 at 3:37 pm #

      Wow Sean, you know a lot about Adam Henrys… kinda like the pot calling the kettle black. You sound very wound up and angry. I hope you don’t carry a badge and especially not a gun. I use my real name in “Cyber-Coward land”… and WHO are you?

    • Philip Anaya November 14, 2013 at 7:28 pm #

      Just saying,of course you are not the Sean referenced at the #2 urban dictionary definition of the pejorative of Adam Henry. Insults if intended should always be clear and concise and totally disrespectful without any face saving humor of our human condition. Have to agree with you that LE officers have the most difficult tasks and job descriptions of any career in the world. I get Paul Harvey giving them props and at the same time I wonder if he ever had the “driving while black” racial profiling experience “longhair get out of that car” event in his life. For myself, I have had my confrontations with LE Officers in my 6.5 decades of Lucky to Live in America existence. Hardly a racial or a prejudiced contact except for the Fun Police jealous of the California Dreaming life style. Most of these contacts were without doubt highly charged from my own earlier sense of white boy entitlement but in my later years and my 65 mph perfect conformance with the rights of other individuals to have safe highways I haven’t really been subjected to the abuse that occurs with over zealous LE. Like I said, Lucky to live in America.
      It’s important to stay in touch with how things affect you. I’d advise against denial and storage in the closet. Da Nile is a river in Africa, a big one at that and the saying should give pause and relief with some humor about our human condition. Storage of built up issues and emotions necessitate a release at some point and if you don’t pay the monthly there will be the auction or life event where all your crap will be out there. If you can,stay connected to a what is important and what you can do. With so many world events such as typhoons and earthquakes lately see if you can’t contribute to those Mammoth Docs and their work in the Philippines . With these and local issues needing attention how about questions, actions and contributions that are worthy and equal to those of these new LE Officers in Mammoth Lakes.

      • Desert Tortoise November 14, 2013 at 9:11 pm #

        I would say landing an airplane on the back of an aircraft carrier is a far more dangerous way to make a living than anything a CHP officer does, and it requires both a bachelors degree and two and half years of flight training to get to the fleet compared to a high school diploma and 22 weeks of the CHP Academy. Yet, the Chippie makes a good 50% – 100% more per year than a mid career Naval Aviator flying off of a ship. That fact has always offended me.

        • Mongo The Idiot November 15, 2013 at 9:09 am #

          For me a large part of the pay flying on and off an aircraft carrier would be the use of the multimillion dollar plane with free fuel. Plus, imagine the adrenalin crazed chicks swarming for your attention! Officers clubs, unlimited travel, Obamacare exemption, nuclear weapons, possibility of space travel, paid housing, heroism, etc; sometimes there is more to life than money.
          The CHP officer’s job sucks, they deserve the additional money and probably more.
          I would far rather get blasted off a carrier to mach speed than walk up on an armed doper on a traffic stop.
          I would far rather be someone most are happy to see than he who enforces the law and fines you.

          • Desert Tortoise November 15, 2013 at 10:59 am #

            I can tell you have never been deployed on a combat ship. The entire air wing lives and works in a space that is sandwiched between the fight deck and hanger deck. Pilots literally sleep beneath catapults and under the landing area. It is hot, noisy and uncomfortable living. You wear earplugs in order to sleep. Steel doors open and close noisily at all hours. You share a space with a dozen or more othe plots.

            Dairy products run out two weeks into deployment. Later in the deployment fresh greens are scarce and often getting pretty brown around the edges. You work 14 hour days day after day, flying at all kinds of hours. The ship’s laundry slowly turns all of your clothes the same color. Fresh water is strictly rationed. The engineering plant has first call on water. Find out what a “sea shower” is. Not so much on nuclear ships, but the ones I served on would have what are called “water hours” where the fresh water to the crew is turned off. Imagine coming back from jogging on deck, sweat soaked and stinking from the heat and humidity of the Indian Ocean ( air temps in the high 90’s, humitity in the 90’s and water temps in the mid 80’s so the interior of the ship is never cool) and finding no water comes out of the shower because the steam plant that is powering your ship needs the water to function. Since space and weight are always at a premium on a combat ship, adding extra evaps for crew comfort is not done. You use that space and weight for more weapons or sensors. COmbat ships are crowded and uncomfortable.

            Yes, the flying is exciting, especially trying to find you ship and land on it at night. Sometimes it is too exciting. I laugh at how so many people claim that aircraft carriers are going to be easy to find and sink at sea. They never tried to find their ship in crappy weather at night even when the ship wants you to find it and has all the navaids turned on. On rough nights you come aboard soaked in sweat like you just ran several miles. This is not airline flying. You have 400 feet to bring a tactical jet to a stop from 150 knots. It’s violent and unforgiving. Landing a helo on a tiny spot at night is not much easier. At night you have no depth perception. Even as you approach the ship at 70 kts it does not appear to get closer to you until suddenly you are right on top of it. You do not have much visual reference asided from deck lighting, and I can tell you that I have on a couple of occasions nearly hit the water surface because you cannot see the ocean unless it is clear and there is at least a half moon to give you a horizon or light the water surface. You have to rely on your radar altimeter and approaching a ship at 200 feet over the surface you can be in the water very fast if you are not hawking the radalt constantly.

            No, nothing a Chippie does is anywhere near as hard to do as flying off ships in blue water.

          • Mongo The Idiot November 15, 2013 at 12:27 pm #

            I am so glad I am not you.

          • Tourbillon November 16, 2013 at 4:22 pm #

            “I am so glad I am not you.”

            Well lessee Mongo… DT was a bold Naval Aviator. You are a self-described idiot. My hearty congratulations on attaining your aspiration. You are not DT.

  6. Big Rick OBrien November 13, 2013 at 7:36 pm #

    Ingrid is the deputy that Sheriff Obie terminated one day before her probation was up, probably because he felt threatened by her superior education and experience. Sheriff’s department loss…Mammoth PD’s gain, HUGE gain.

  7. Agreed November 14, 2013 at 8:44 am #

    @ Big Rick, you are exactly right about why she was terminated. There is no probably about it. She has more experience and knowledge and he knows it.

    Glad to see her with a badge on again and I hope the reason she is keeping her post up is so that she will run for sheriff this coming year.

    Happy for Chief Watson too… you have added some great knowledge and experience to your department. Glad they are the “Right fit” for your department. .

    • Mark November 14, 2013 at 11:42 am #

      Her termination prooves the Mono County Sheriff department is ran the same way the jock lawn is administered by the students at any high school.

      • Benett Kessler November 14, 2013 at 11:49 am #

        That’s an opinion with no facts. I did try to get some facts, but the Sheriff could not discuss a confidential personnel matter.

        • Mark November 14, 2013 at 1:05 pm #

          That’s my opinion formulated from what I’ve read on this site.

    • Tom O November 14, 2013 at 12:36 pm #

      When I had to call the MCSD for some vandalism on a commercial vehicle i was driving, she showed up…she didn’t take a report and did no follow up…….I was not impressed…..apparently either was Ralph. Good job Ralph

  8. Big Rick OBrien November 14, 2013 at 9:30 pm #

    Tom, you must be a NEW guy to this site. Everyone here knows that anyone on the Mono Sheriff’s payroll does exactly what they’re told, when they’re told, and nothing more or they’ll end up sitting in a chair for 10 hours, guarding the lobby without a uniform or weapon. Ralphie REALLY knows how to motivate the troops.

  9. Agreed November 15, 2013 at 8:25 am #

    @ Big Rick

    You are right on and I am so glad someone besides me is taking notice. I can’t help but wonder everyday how the BOS lets this department continue as it is. It is nothing short of criminal how they treat their employees and you are right if they stand up to them or show any sort of higher level of brain activity, they are terminated by any agenda they can come up with to get rid of them.

    God forbid anyone have the fortitude or integrity to be a sheriff for the right reasons or stand up when the right things aren’t being done.

    • Desert Tortoise November 15, 2013 at 11:03 am #

      What can a BOS do? The Sheriff is an elected official. He or she is not answerable to the BOS in any way. They have no power to tell the Sheriff to do or not to do anything. That is one of the drawbacks of an elected Sheriff. The only people the Sheriff answers to are the votoers.

      • Benett Kessler November 15, 2013 at 11:50 am #

        Actually, right now, Sheriff Obenberger has been appointed to his position. He filled the term of former Sheriff Rick Scholl.

  10. Tom O November 15, 2013 at 9:30 am #

    lil Rick,
    Wrong…been posting here for a very long time…..
    What I do know is that the guy[no names] you are talking about was not the most ethical officer. Put it this way, the folks in June[where he resided] were glad when he was fired.

    I have had other incidents and the MCSD responded very quickly with multiple follow ups.
    She wasnt the best person for the job and the guy that replaced her is very active and actually does follow up.You dont live here and please stay away.

  11. Big Rick OBrien November 15, 2013 at 8:29 pm #

    I’ll let the numbers speak for themselves, Tom O. or whatever your name is. I stand behind mine.

  12. Tom O November 16, 2013 at 8:05 am #

    And those numbers are?I stand by my experience. You sound like another outsider from Olancha or L.A. piling on.


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